Bago Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Which do people prefer ? 1) To have everybody exactly the same and behave the same way cos we are all "British" by nationality. 2) Or to have people of individualisms from different backgrounds and ethnicities? Please do vote, and discuss, as prefer. Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabberwocky Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Id personally prefer option 2. When Im in Leicester I can walk a mile and see, smell, taste and hear a dozen different nationalities and I absolutely love it. I love the diversification of the human race, Vive la difference! Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynoDon Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 ............... Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudybay Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Multiculturalism is and always will be, an abject failure. Why should I, as an atheist, be expected to show respect for Christian, Islamic or Jewish cultures whose views and arguments I often find reactionary and often despicable? Why should public arrangements be adapted to fit in with the backward, misogynistic, homophobic claims that religions make? What is wrong with me wishing such cultures to 'wither away'? And how, given that I do view these and many other cultures with contempt, am I supposed to provide them with respect, without disrespecting my own views? The thought police are already at work. The McPherson inquiry into Stephen Lawrence argued that even racist comments made in the privacy of the home should be made a criminal offence. Thankfully, this suggestion has so far been ignored politically. Many multiculturalists, however, wish to go further still, demanding that all private thoughts and feelings be subject to political scrutiny. Culture, faith, lifestyle, feelings - these are all aspects of our private lives and should be of no concern to the state or other public authorities. Multiculturalist policies inevitably bring to mind George Orwell's description in 1984 - 'A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police... His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression on his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in his sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body are all jealously scrutinised.' The irony of multiculturalism is that, as a political process, it undermines what is valuable about cultural diversity. Diversity is important, not in and of itself, but because it allows us to expand our horizons, to compare and contrast different values, beliefs and lifestyles, and make judgements upon them. In other words, because it allows us to engage in political dialogue and debate that can help create more universal values and beliefs, and a collective language of citizenship. But it is precisely such dialogue and debate, and the making of such judgements, that contemporary multiculturalism attempts to suppress in the name of 'tolerance' and 'respect'. Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch_1 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I voted for multi-culturism, It doesn't matter what race, colour, creed, gender, sexual orientation, deity, disabilities a person has, They are all human and have feelings not unlike our own. Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagger Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Multi culturism every time I reckon. Can't imagine anything worse than everyone being the 'same'. It could never be achieved thankfully. Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabby Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Multiculturalism is and always will be, an abject failure. Why should I, as an atheist, be expected to show respect for Christian, Islamic or Jewish cultures whose views and arguments I often find reactionary and often despicable? Why should public arrangements be adapted to fit in with the backward, misogynistic, homophobic claims that religions make? What is wrong with me wishing such cultures to 'wither away'? And how, given that I do view these and many other cultures with contempt, am I supposed to provide them with respect, without disrespecting my own views? The thought police are already at work. The McPherson inquiry into Stephen Lawrence argued that even racist comments made in the privacy of the home should be made a criminal offence. Thankfully, this suggestion has so far been ignored politically. Many multiculturalists, however, wish to go further still, demanding that all private thoughts and feelings be subject to political scrutiny. Culture, faith, lifestyle, feelings - these are all aspects of our private lives and should be of no concern to the state or other public authorities. Multiculturalist policies inevitably bring to mind George Orwell's description in 1984 - 'A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police... His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression on his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in his sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body are all jealously scrutinised.' The irony of multiculturalism is that, as a political process, it undermines what is valuable about cultural diversity. Diversity is important, not in and of itself, but because it allows us to expand our horizons, to compare and contrast different values, beliefs and lifestyles, and make judgements upon them. In other words, because it allows us to engage in political dialogue and debate that can help create more universal values and beliefs, and a collective language of citizenship. But it is precisely such dialogue and debate, and the making of such judgements, that contemporary multiculturalism attempts to suppress in the name of 'tolerance' and 'respect'. ^^What he/she said! Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviathan13 Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 Multiculturalism is and always will be, an abject failure. Why should I, as an atheist, be expected to show respect for Christian, Islamic or Jewish cultures whose views and arguments I often find reactionary and often despicable? Why should public arrangements be adapted to fit in with the backward, misogynistic, homophobic claims that religions make? What is wrong with me wishing such cultures to 'wither away'? And how, given that I do view these and many other cultures with contempt, am I supposed to provide them with respect, without disrespecting my own views? The thought police are already at work. The McPherson inquiry into Stephen Lawrence argued that even racist comments made in the privacy of the home should be made a criminal offence. Thankfully, this suggestion has so far been ignored politically. Many multiculturalists, however, wish to go further still, demanding that all private thoughts and feelings be subject to political scrutiny. Culture, faith, lifestyle, feelings - these are all aspects of our private lives and should be of no concern to the state or other public authorities. Multiculturalist policies inevitably bring to mind George Orwell's description in 1984 - 'A Party member lives from birth to death under the eye of the Thought Police... His friendships, his relaxations, his behaviour towards his wife and children, the expression on his face when he is alone, the words he mutters in his sleep, even the characteristic movements of his body are all jealously scrutinised.' The irony of multiculturalism is that, as a political process, it undermines what is valuable about cultural diversity. Diversity is important, not in and of itself, but because it allows us to expand our horizons, to compare and contrast different values, beliefs and lifestyles, and make judgements upon them. In other words, because it allows us to engage in political dialogue and debate that can help create more universal values and beliefs, and a collective language of citizenship. But it is precisely such dialogue and debate, and the making of such judgements, that contemporary multiculturalism attempts to suppress in the name of 'tolerance' and 'respect'. So, in a nutshell, what you're basically saying is that we should respect your views even though you don't respect others? I disagree with religion as much as the next person, but surely these people should be allowed their celebrations? Are you saying then, as an Atheist, that you don't 'Celebrate' Christmas? If you're against religion and you do Christmas, doesn't this contradict your own views and make you a hypocrite? Do you give back the presents given to you? Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1478990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudybay Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 So, in a nutshell, what you're basically saying is that we should respect your views even though you don't respect others? I disagree with religion as much as the next person, but surely these people should be allowed their celebrations? Are you saying then, as an Atheist, that you don't 'Celebrate' Christmas? If you're against religion and you do Christmas, doesn't this contradict your own views and make you a hypocrite? Do you give back the presents given to you? The only views you should respect are those freely chosen by an individual, not those imposed via religious indoctrination. Adults have a duty of care to provide as much information as possible to a child enabling it to make an informed choice. Anything less is child abuse. I don't celebrate Christmas and never have done. Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1479026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bago Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share Posted June 8, 2007 Cloudybay, what do you do over the Christmas period then? Just out of curiosities. Link to comment https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/85723-multiculturalism-or-one-single-entity/#findComment-1479033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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