An Arabic lady talks sense about the conflict between East & West

[purdyamos]

Purdy, I don't wish to make this personal, but...

 

There was a thread about that sort of phrase the other day.

 

1) I understand that you are a political person, and I am not.

2) I wish you will stop labelling me as X, or as Y,

 

Can you see how you've contradicted yourself there? I'm not politiocal beyond thinking human rights are universal.

 

that is infringing on MY human rights! FFS. Just because you do it, does not mean that I accept it. :mad

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But you openly state that other people don't deserve human rights. And anybody that DOES speak up for human rights is attcking your human rights. Yeah, right.

 

3) For someone that say that she is great at English, you really do know how to wind people up by using "YOU YOU YOU" to get your points across and making it personal. Bugger off.

 

Pot, kettle.

 

4) Hey, I have NEVER claimed that I am a feminist. I laughed at people calling me a feminist, for whatever reasons that are going on in their minds, on the SF.

 

You have frequently attacked sexism, which is what I see as a feminist.

 

I will NOT be responsible for actions taken by others with regards to 9/11, 7/7, and whatever societal problems you throw at me. Dont you even dare go down that road.

 

I didn't hold you responsible, don't put words in my mouth.

 

I know what you can be like.

 

What exactly do you mean by that?

 

What I do see now, right here, right now is my perception of how I see the world. I have told you this once, and I will tell you again. People like me, or rather, people born in this world have no understanding of what life is like in the past. I do not see a problem with questioning what I see before me and cross-references it with information and materials from ALL over the world. Not just an English-written adaptation's perspective.

 

Please don't make assumptions about how I form my views.

 

What I truly understand is that, there seems to be a global brainwashing programme which is even more scary than I think it is. Which is Islamaphobia.

 

Do you know the difference between Islam and Islamism? Do you?

 

What I am understanding now is the correlation between Zionism, Antisemitism, and Islamaphobia.

 

But you evidently don't understand Islamism.

 

I can be who I want to be, believe what I want to, and question what I want to.

 

That's pretty much what Wafa Sultan wants everyone to have the freedom to do. So why did you side with the totalitarian?

 

This social pressure which you seem to exert on others is really too much.

 

What social pressure? Do you mean stating my opinion. Oh hang on, that's what you claimed as your human right. But you don't want other people to have the same right, even when they are openly arguing for human rights.

 

I'm sorry to say this rudely but, you can sod off if you think otherwise

 

Is that directed at every person who is against fascism? Very eloquently put.

 

Bago, I'll say this again: Millions of muslims (including in this country) desperately want to be free of the dogmatic shackles that restrict them. My opinions are formed directly from the experiences and words of muslims themselves. There are campaigns within Islam that want equality and justice and freedom within their communities. But whenever any of them speak out they get silenced or sidelined by people who would rather defend dictatorship. I'm genuinely sorry if you can't see the basic reasoning and humanity in that view.

[JoeP]

Mod. Note

 

OK people - chill.

 

Let's see if we can handle a thread that features the word 'Islam' without it degenerating in to a bitch-fest.

 

This is the only warning I'm planning on giving.

 

[glaston]

i think that woman has great points, she isnt saying islam is wrong, she says how she respects all beliefs she is just saying that the way to be heard is not through violence, not all muslims are violent at all i know a few but many representatives of the religion are and it is the civil ones who should make a stand against it, because they are all going to be stereotyped as everyone is by those who represent them.

[Grahame]

The Tamil Tiger's are Hindus, the LLTE is a self declaredly secular group but the two sides in the Sri Lankan Civil War civil war are defined by religion with the ethnic Tamil's who are Hindu's fighting to secede from the Buddhist Sinhalese majority with Islamic Tamils apparently staying out of the fight.

 

The Sri Lankan Civil War is precisely that, a CIVIL war. Although the two sides comprise Tamil and Sinhalese, the war is fuelled by politics, accusations of favouritism, and land acquisition. It is not being fought over religion.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

 

http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/multi/war/tamil.html

[plekhanov]

The Sri Lankan Civil War is precisely that, a CIVIL war. Although the two sides comprise Tamil and Sinhalese, the war is fuelled by politics, accusations of favouritism, and land acquisition. It is not being fought over religion.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

 

http://www.boogieonline.com/revolution/multi/war/tamil.html

I never said the civil war was fought over religion but that ‘the two sides in the Sri Lankan Civil War civil war are defined by religion’.

[Bago]

There was a thread about that sort of phrase the other day.

 

 

 

Can you see how you've contradicted yourself there? I'm not politiocal beyond thinking human rights are universal.

 

:

 

But you openly state that other people don't deserve human rights. And anybody that DOES speak up for human rights is attcking your human rights. Yeah, right.

 

 

 

Pot, kettle.

 

 

 

You have frequently attacked sexism, which is what I see as a feminist.

 

 

 

I didn't hold you responsible, don't put words in my mouth.

 

 

 

What exactly do you mean by that?

 

 

 

Please don't make assumptions about how I form my views.

 

 

 

Do you know the difference between Islam and Islamism? Do you?

 

 

 

But you evidently don't understand Islamism.

 

 

 

That's pretty much what Wafa Sultan wants everyone to have the freedom to do. So why did you side with the totalitarian?

 

 

 

What social pressure? Do you mean stating my opinion. Oh hang on, that's what you claimed as your human right. But you don't want other people to have the same right, even when they are openly arguing for human rights.

 

 

 

Is that directed at every person who is against fascism? Very eloquently put.

 

Bago, I'll say this again: Millions of muslims (including in this country) desperately want to be free of the dogmatic shackles that restrict them. My opinions are formed directly from the experiences and words of muslims themselves. There are campaigns within Islam that want equality and justice and freedom within their communities. But whenever any of them speak out they get silenced or sidelined by people who would rather defend dictatorship. I'm genuinely sorry if you can't see the basic reasoning and humanity in that view.

Purdy, when you get off your political bandwagon and is ready to listen and not hold up your battle armour. I will be here, with a cup of tea, okay?

 

If you took some personal timeout, and really understand where I am coming from on a personal basis, then maybe what I say will and do make sense.

 

All I see is something very simple with that video. A woman tries to talk about Islam as if she knows the religion itself, but when rebutted by the priest, she does not listen and still carried on. I said she is an idiot. I did not say what she represents or whatever it is that she is trying to do is idiotic. I have no idea what she is trying to do. Nor will I second-guess. I understand conversation and dialogue when I see it. She is definitely sprouting a lot of crap, cos even I can dissect a lot of what she said in pieces, and I am not a person who is that educated in my world history, I wouldn't think.

 

Apart from that, I have no hell of an idea, what political points you are trying to make about the above. You forgotten one thing, that woman claims to be a psychologist, but she has no idea of social psychology and mass hysteria, it seems.

[Alastair]

Well one thing is certain, the Tamil Tigers didn't kill Rajiv Gandhi because of his religion.

[plekhanov]

Well one thing is certain, the Tamil Tigers didn't kill Rajiv Gandhi because of his religion.

So? Palestinian suicide bombers don't kill people because of their religion either.

[glitterbug]

That video brought tears to my eyes. I'm so glad there are rational thinking people out there. I'm not religious at all, but respect her wish to let other religions practice peacefully in whatever country they be, which is what i believe too. She is a very brave, and forward thinking lady, and can see, and speak out about her home countries religion and the deficits within this. I hope she lives a long and productive life. Now all we need is someone from the west to do the same............

[Alastair]

So? Palestinian suicide bombers don't kill people because of their religion either.

 

Palestinians had a genuine grievance against the Jewish settlers who stole their land. Of course it's become a war between religions now.