An Arabic lady talks sense about the conflict between East & West

[bladesufc1]

The thing is, what gives you the audacity to question my belief? Is this social pressure you are exerting onto me? Why pick me to piecesjust because what I believe does not follow yours? I have said before that I am not an avid political person, and I do not walk around labelling every single person and slot them into tiny political groups.

 

Edit! so why pick on my beliefs!!

 

If it makes yo feel better to do that, then by all means do so. However, I see that as a personal attack on someone's personal intrinsic belief. I don't question you why the hell you call yourself a silly name as Cloudybay. So why should you question me? Same analogy.

 

o dear!!

 

You do not treat all religion the same. Cos your emotive rant came across quite clearly. You may have experienced muslim women crying to you and you feel that you need to "free" them in some ways, shape or form. Yet, do allow individuals to fight their own battles for themselves.

 

I do not follow your every post, sorry if you want me to be a fan. I believe this is the first post you wrote on this thread. So, I am taking your words "as it is" in this instance. I do not care whatever social perception of yourself is on here, but I am going by what you write here. Unlike yourself who seems to be flying off the handle a lot more than I thought you'd be, and already started to label me against every political slots you can think of.

 

You're a very sarky lady that is for sure. Kind of also a bit of bully too.

 

Edit! kettle calling the pan black!

 

How people parent their kids is down to them. Who are you to judge? Do you see others pick at you on how you parent YOUR kids? As long as the kids are happy, then that is what matters. I am sure that no parents are perfect, and depending on where you stand, it all looks very different. It's obvious what parenting method you follow. At the same time, please do not be so rude to criticize others so readily. Do remember that caning was part of social acceptance in this country not so long ago.

 

Edit! and it should be brought back ASAP

 

You have started going on about Sharia Law, cos I hazard a guess that is what you fear, and hence you want to slot me into a hole which fits your ideology. I have not mentioned Sharia Law anywhere at all.

 

To be truthful with you. I have not read that much on Sharia Law, so I will not comment. Cos I do not feel fit to do so. Unless you are telling me that you understand it completely even though you are not a practising Muslim yourself? I see...

 

Edit! so why comment on things you have no idea about

 

If you have read the Qu'ran in Arabic, and actually studied the law itself, in relation to the religion. Then maybe I will be inclined to trust you a little bit on on your words in that area.

 

 

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[Bago]

i think it's time you actually read about what your typing on this forum. instead of believing in what you believe and not the facts of life for some muslims. i dont need to proove anything i say on here, mainly becasue i have read and seen this many many times in MY life time.. if you want to educate yourself please feel free to start a new thread when you have ALL the information

I think it's time you woke up yourself. I already know what types of people exists in this world. What I like to know is what you believe in your own mind. You have hardly proven what you said, or who you encountered to get such information from. At least be truthful with the source of your information. Without this, then what you're saying is just ramblings. Or paranoia.

 

The ignorance that you're showing is like, listening to a Yorkshireman with Yorkshire accent, and calls him British without knowing where he is from exactly. Oh, they look all the same, and that what one reads in the newspaper means all the same people.

 

Normally, I wouldn't have a problem with people on this kind of ignorance, but to deduce the information that you had, and add 1+1 together in your own mind to give 3 is a little bit too much.

[Bago]

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For your information Blade. That was a very personal, and I know that it bordered into a personal rant, where Cloudybay is concerned. I think she knows it. As do another member on this actual thread.

 

Apart from that, I am indeed throwing up areas and are challenging and highlighting the differences. Please read the whole thing in context. It will do you some good to understand the point that I am making.

 

I can comment on Sharia Law, but I choose not to do so because I do not believe that I will give it justice. Yet, basing on what Cloudybay had written so far, and what little knowledge she is giving me on this issue, I do not think that she qualifies to talk of it too. Do you? It's hardly rocket science to know when someone knows what they are talking about, to when they don't.

 

I am quite aware of how people misinterprets the religion, and how it's followed. At the end of the day, you don't believe nor accept others who follows the religion anyway, and is kicking up a fuss, even though it is a personal issue to others. Then why should anyone justify themselves to you what they believe on a religious level? Are you mad?

[jrock]

i thought she made some good points..she did make some generalisations also.

[purdyamos]

That was a very personal, and I know that it bordered into a personal rant, where Cloudybay is concerned.

 

I think you're not in a position on this thread to accuse anyone of personal rants, Bago.

 

I can comment on Sharia Law, but I choose not to do so because I do not believe that I will give it justice.

 

Is your use of the word 'justice' ironic? Alas, I think it isn't. Here's the law acording to Sharia, Bago - one woman is only equal to half a man. You don't need to study the Koran in Arabic for years to see the pure, core outrage in that basic equation. Nobody who defends that principle can ever talk of human rights.

 

Yet, basing on what Cloudybay had written so far, and what little knowledge she is giving me on this issue, I do not think that she qualifies to talk of it too. Do you? It's hardly rocket science to know when someone knows what they are talking about, to when they don't.

 

I thought it was clear that Cloudybay, in whatever her professional life is, has to deal with the reality of what goes on in a proportion of muslim households and in their communities.

 

I may as well add, Bago, since you've accused me of ignorance and Western bias here and there, that much of my knowledge of what is common in Islam, here and abroad, is actually by witnessing, talking to and reading the testimonies of muslims themselves who cannot understand why their experiences are swept under the carpet and denied and ignored by people just like you.

 

I also know several people whose work has to take them into the darkest recesses of the community that most people never meet at all. There is a silent acceptance of oppression and coersion going on.

 

Then why should anyone justify themselves to you what they believe on a religious level? Are you mad?

 

When it comes to an individual's right to choose, Bago, which you seem to believe in, then it applies to every individual. There are thousands of individuals who have to hide their sexuality, get pressured into marriage on pain of being expelled from the family, are not permitted to have friends who are non-muslims, are kept helpless by husbands who won't allow them to learn English or have a social life or get a job, for a few examples. That doesn't apply to all, but it applies to a good number who are constantly being described as 'choosing' to be in that situation. I don't understand why so many people have such a problem acknowledging that basic fact.

 

Saying this is NOT anti-muslim, for the simple reason that there are many muslims who agree. I once watched on Question time a (white) woman accuse Yasmin Alibah-Brown of being a racist because she wanted muslim women to have the same freedom of choice other women have. This thread reminds me a bit of that.

[SleepyHead]

True, but I can prove they are not.

 

The "trouble" with religions is that they are faith based.

 

Yeah, but scientific theory takes quite a lot on faith, only we call it 'hypothesis', or 'best fit'.

[Bago]

For the past few nights, I've been watching this fantastic debate on Islam and Shariah Laws by Muslims, Arabs, Jewish people living in Israel and Palestine on C4 called "Shariah TV". It certainly does give many on the SF a run for their money!

 

It is basically a tv show of people debating about many topics surrounding Islam, Shariah Law itself and also the conflicts in Palestine at the moment. The people spoke very truthfully about their views and they understand how Islam is perceived by the West. Which is not how it is interpreted and understood by the actual believers themselves.

[DynoDon]

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[Bago]

Did 25% of the Muslims on this televisual delight of debate believe 7/7 was perpetrated by the British establishment?

 

If not Sharia TV wasn't true to life of what Muslims think here. They therefore don't have a clue.

I dunno. I didn't see the part where they asked this.

I did catch a few topics, which I thought was really food for thoughts. It opposes what many dispute here on the SF. Topics about suicide bombing, clothing for women and the veil. The conflicts in Israel, the Gaza Strip, citizenships and second-class citizens in the Jewish State, Jerusalam.

 

There was a British Islam Scholar on there who discussed about the way the religion was interpreted classically and realistically in real life. Which I thought was fascinating, cos it goes against what many non-believers write about the religion on this forum alone.

 

What did you mean by if Shariah TV isn't true to life of what Muslims think here. Where is "here", do you mean the UK? Who is "they"? Do you mean the few muslims on that tv show?