Darbees   10 #13 Posted December 15, 2006 Oh, right, if we're setting the world to rights, starting with the youth, I think the school leaving age should be lowered to 14 again - provided the teenager has an apprenticeship to do instead, and provided a minimum attendance is achieved. Non attendance on an apprenticeship would result in boot camp or national service. Does that work for anybody else?  I agree with that, I think school education is wasted on the young, they should work from a young age and then they might realise why it's worthwhile to have a decent education and they might enjoy it starting in their 20s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
basshedz2 Â Â 10 #14 Posted December 15, 2006 I agree with that, I think school education is wasted on the young, they should work from a young age and then they might realise why it's worthwhile to have a decent education and they might enjoy it starting in their 20s. Â I also agree - send them up t' chimneys or down t' pit! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
_Kirsty_ Â Â 10 #15 Posted December 15, 2006 Hang on, thatd mean that in 5 months time id have to be married... Â so that gives me 5 month to find a boyfriend... Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
metalman   21 #16 Posted December 15, 2006 I reckon you'd get Sid's vote anyway (as long as you made it retrospective for people who are already way past 20). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Strix   11 #17 Posted December 15, 2006 vocational courses are no different in stucture to school unfortunately. It needs to be paid work for it to work - and real responsibility (or have I got the wrong end of the stick on Shirecliffe? ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tomataheeed   10 #18 Posted December 15, 2006 vocational courses are no different in stucture to school unfortunately. It needs to be paid work for it to work - and real responsibility (or have I got the wrong end of the stick on Shirecliffe? )  This is what the modern apprenticeship is supposed to do. My company do them, and I should have a new MA starting in my team in the next couple of weeks. Its a structured programme of work to qualify in a range of diff IT areas - Developer, Support specialist, Ops, project management, etc.... Its actually quite good, and better than our grad programme if I'm honest which is far too unstructured for my liking. More companies should do them - particularly in IT, plenty of teenagers are very keen. We don't often take on 16 year olds though - most are 18/19. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
_Kirsty_ Â Â 10 #19 Posted December 15, 2006 This is what the modern apprenticeship is supposed to do. My company do them, and I should have a new MA starting in my team in the next couple of weeks. Its a structured programme of work to qualify in a range of diff IT areas - Developer, Support specialist, Ops, project management, etc.... Its actually quite good, and better than our grad programme if I'm honest which is far too unstructured for my liking. More companies should do them - particularly in IT, plenty of teenagers are very keen. We don't often take on 16 year olds though - most are 18/19. Â I completed an NVQ in Business Admin L2 with the Co. iv just left- i trained though JHP Training. Took me about 9 months to complete... i think. I preferred the idea of working and training rather than going to college Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
redrobbo   10 #20 Posted December 15, 2006 In light of The Social Justice Policy Group's recent Breakdown Britain report it might just be a neat idea to resolve breakdown of our social fabric.  This Conservative policy document harks back to John Major's government initiative of 'back to basics'. Not surprisingly, it's been warmly welcomed by David Cameron.  It's a con trick to hand out tax benefits to mainly well off married couples. Married couples on low incomes will hardly benefit. Why should couples who choose to live together, but not marry, and also single people contribute to the tax benefits of those who choose to marry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Darbees   10 #21 Posted December 15, 2006 This Conservative policy document harks back to John Major's government initiative of 'back to basics'. Not surprisingly, it's been warmly welcomed by David Cameron.  It's a con trick to hand out tax benefits to mainly well off married couples. Married couples on low incomes will hardly benefit. Why should couples who choose to live together, but not marry, and also single people contribute to the tax benefits of those who choose to marry? Because marriage is still viewed in society as an important legal commitment to being a family unit which is generally considered to be secure and good for society. That is not to say that people who are not married are not secure but they haven't signed up to prove it. So society gives married people a few extra benefits for making that commitment. We contribute tax for other things we may not subscribe to personally but which benefit the community as a whole such as education and health and to employ people such as yourself for the benefit (I think) of those who are less fortunate. Incidentally I'm not married nor do my children benefit from education system any more but I still pay for those who do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #22 Posted December 15, 2006 Is the fabric of certain parts of our society breaking down? Is is not a good thing to be encouraging stable family units?    *I'm not being rhetorical Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Phanerothyme   12 #23 Posted December 15, 2006 The principal effect of this interesting idea would be to send the murder rate in this country soaring (and, consequently, both the male and female populations of our prisons) .  There'll also be a killing to be made in the grief industry.  Amusing how the germanic words for poison and married are the same, gift. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
esme   10 #24 Posted December 15, 2006 ...How about an alternative where we marry everyone off at age 20 whether they like it or not, with no divorce option for say 25 years...  so you are advocating forcibly marrying off gay people to straight people ? or would the gay people be married off to other gay people ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...