King Rat Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Discuss........................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyesey Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Same role they were always supposed to have. Protect the workers from abuse. The roles they preferred, like abusing employers, running the country, and enabling workers to earn money for doing nothing, have largely been removed since the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upinwath Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 By driving wages and with them manufacturing costs so high we buy all our stuff from china. The greedy grasping unions did a fine job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorbertColon Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 They were, are still, and will continue to be the scourge of British industry and productivity. Leading directly, as upinwath very neatly states, to high manufacturing costs and loss of jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artisan Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 They were, are still, and will continue to be the scourge of British industry and productivity. Leading directly, as upinwath very neatly states, to high manufacturing costs and loss of jobs. What do you suggest, that we all work for nothing? Who are you people that suggest such things as unions being the scourge of industry? Some kind of landed gentry? It is nonsense put about by managers, who believe that they are above the people they are managing. The sad thing about these type of people, is the bewilderment they have when they in turn are sacked. We are all fodder for the mill. Repetition of silly tory mantras is tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorbertColon Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 What do you suggest, that we all work for nothing? Who are you people that suggest such things as unions being the scourge of industry? Some kind of landed gentry? It is nonsense put about by managers, who believe that they are above the people they are managing. The sad thing about these type of people, is the bewilderment they have when they in turn are sacked. We are all fodder for the mill. Repetition of silly tory mantras is tiresome. Goodness, is your post made tongue-in-cheek? I must infer that it is, for to have such a view held seriously is barely credible. I am reminded of the Carry-On film with the strikers at the toilet factory - that is the sort of mentality that you must jokingly be supporting. Some managers, and I speak from personal experience, have had experience of the shop floor and therefore are not completely blind to the world viewed from beneath. Those on the shop floor, however, are completely blind to the ‘bigger picture’ seen by those who have striven for better positions and have the difficult job of making the company work, keeping it in profit and thereby securing the jobs of all, including the men who can rise no further than sweeping a broom and those who load the vans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artisan Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 Goodness, is your post made tongue-in-cheek? I must infer that it is, for to have such a view held seriously is barely credible. I am reminded of the Carry-On film with the strikers at the toilet factory - that is the sort of mentality that you must jokingly be supporting. Some managers, and I speak from personal experience, have had experience of the shop floor and therefore are not completely blind to the world viewed from beneath. Those on the shop floor, however, are completely blind to the ‘bigger picture’ seen by those who have striven for better positions and have the difficult job of making the company work, keeping it in profit and thereby securing the jobs of all, including the men who can rise no further than sweeping a broom and those who load the vans. I have worked as a senior manager for over 20 years, I worked my way from apprentice, through being an officer in the merchant navy, to managing large textile mills. I have never once lost my socialist background. My directors have always known my political beliefs, and I have used my skill and knowledge to perform my role. You do not need to be a tory to be a succesful manager. You need to understand your fellow man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyesey Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 What do you suggest, that we all work for nothing? Who are you people that suggest such things as unions being the scourge of industry? Historians, mostly. It's a matter of historical fact that union greed brought the likes of British Leyland to its knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorbertColon Posted December 10, 2006 Share Posted December 10, 2006 I have worked as a senior manager for over 20 years, I worked my way from apprentice, through being an officer in the merchant navy, to managing large textile mills. I have never once lost my socialist background. My directors have always known my political beliefs, and I have used my skill and knowledge to perform my role. You do not need to be a tory to be a succesful manager. You need to understand your fellow man. I wouldn't deny that, but I have to question why you instantly connect this post with socialism vs tories - I do not see the relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Rat Posted December 10, 2006 Author Share Posted December 10, 2006 Same role they were always supposed to have. Protect the workers from abuse. The roles they preferred, like abusing employers, running the country, and enabling workers to earn money for doing nothing, have largely been removed since the 80s. I should of stated in my original post, what i meant was now we have more rights and equal laws to protect the employee, are trade unions needed as much now? Most people I have know have not earned money for doing almost nothing, Also when you say the 80's did you mean the miner strike or something specifically, or just in general ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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