Who's the best BJJ team in Sheffield/area?

[cagn4y 10]

Crikey this thread is descending into a fart, sorry a farse. With defenses against knife attacks, and even one poster talking about defending against someone trying to behead you.

 

Now I know Town can be violent at times, its not that bad.

 

Can someone answer the above points

 

depends...

 

depends...

 

depends...

 

computer says not possible...

 

depends... (although from reading some of the barragergus' posts he has something of a reputation in this department...)

[Carnage 10]

Hi All,

 

Long time reader, first time poster:thumbsup:

 

I think you'll find that both schools have nice guys training there, both are friendly welcoming places and you can argue the toss who’s the better instructors. But let’s face it Gracie Barra Has 2 Purple belt instructors that have been assessed by two of the best bjj players on the planet over a long period of time. Their technique has been picked apart and rebuilt by these black belts over this period of time on a weekly basis.

 

They have been given the right to run a Gracie Barra school and are recognised by Carlos Gracie Jn on merit alone and haven’t had to pay a penny for this.

 

Both instructors enter comps and are a constant on the mat putting their rep on the line and have proven the standard they are at. There was a comp recently in Sheffield of which there were 6 entrants from Gracie Barra, RGJJ NONE.

 

Royce Gracie does have a couple of guys, GOOD guys who have entered amateur mma and I have a lot of respect for these guys for doing so but that alone cant be used to justify RGJJ over the instruction of 2 Gracie Barra black belts for top class bjj instruction. I glad that it wasn’t any of them that tried to use that to promo their bjj instruction.

 

Take it from someone who has a clue about sport if it is proper 100% bjj you are after you can't beat Gracie Barra in Sheffield.

 

On the other hand if you just want some where to train and the standard of tuition is not of great concern, train at any of the clubs!

 

 

And lastly, Chefkicker please let the guys from RGJJ put their own case across as your imput on bjj is embarassing!! Stick to what you know:thumbsup:

[barracuda 10]

Best post I've read in donkeys. Couldn't have put it better myself

 

And lastly, Chefkicker please let the guys from RGJJ put their own case across as your imput on bjj is embarassing!! Stick to what you know:thumbsup:

Love it!

[cagn4y 10]

Hi All,

 

Long time reader, first time poster:thumbsup:

 

I think you'll find that both schools have nice guys training there, both are friendly welcoming places and you can argue the toss who’s the better instructors. But let’s face it Gracie Barra Has 2 Purple belt instructors that have been assessed by two of the best bjj players on the planet over a long period of time. Their technique has been picked apart and rebuilt by these black belts over this period of time on a weekly basis.

 

They have been given the right to run a Gracie Barra school and are recognised by Carlos Gracie Jn on merit alone and haven’t had to pay a penny for this.

 

Both instructors enter comps and are a constant on the mat putting their rep on the line and have proven the standard they are at. There was a comp recently in Sheffield of which there were 6 entrants from Gracie Barra, RGJJ NONE.

 

Royce Gracie does have a couple of guys, GOOD guys who have entered amateur mma and I have a lot of respect for these guys for doing so but that alone cant be used to justify RGJJ over the instruction of 2 Gracie Barra black belts for top class bjj instruction. I glad that it wasn’t any of them that tried to use that to promo their bjj instruction.

 

Take it from someone who has a clue about sport if it is proper 100% bjj you are after you can't beat Gracie Barra in Sheffield.

 

On the other hand if you just want some where to train and the standard of tuition is not of great concern, train at any of the clubs!

 

 

And lastly, Chefkicker please let the guys from RGJJ put their own case across as your imput on bjj is embarassing!! Stick to what you know:thumbsup:

 

hmm, sounds like another 'my dad's bigger than your dad' post...

 

getting a purple belt is impressive, and congrats to the guys, but what it means is that they're deemed to deserve the ir promotion because they've improved on the mat, not necessarily because they've improved as instructors (although they might have, who knows?)

 

try all the clubs you're interested, and see what's best for YOU - ignore all the rest of this crap...

[Carnage 10]

hmm, sounds like another 'my dad's bigger than your dad' post...

 

getting a purple belt is impressive, and congrats to the guys, but what it means is that they're deemed to deserve the ir promotion because they've improved on the mat, not necessarily because they've improved as instructors (although they might have, who knows?)

 

try all the clubs you're interested, and see what's best for YOU - ignore all the rest of this crap...

 

 

Cagn4y didn’t you say you trained bjj:confused:

 

If there instruction wasnt up to standard do you think the black belts that assess them, who represent the largest bjj team in the world and personally answer to Carlos Gracie jn would allow them to continue to teach? Progression comes from technique, talent and teaching ability you train bjj don’t you know this??????

 

Every two weeks 50% of the classes at Gracie Barra are taken by a world-class black belt.

 

Now you and your friends train bjj how often do you train with a black belt, world champ out of interest?

 

These are facts that cant be argued, no my dads bigger than your dad.

[LankyMan_BJJ 10]

Carnage

 

“You and your friends”

 

My girlfriend reads these threads and she's going to think 'does Chris really spend time with people like this'? I'm ashamed to say that I socialise with someone that has that kind of mentality. Its embarrassing!

 

Chris

[chefkicker 11]

Carnage

 

“You and your friends”

 

My girlfriend reads these threads and she's going to think 'does Chris really spend time with people like this'? I'm ashamed to say that I socialise with someone that has that kind of mentality. Its embarrassing!

 

Chris

 

I agree completely Chris, sad isnt it?

More of this "my dad is bigger than your dad and my gang is harder than your gang all because we are higher up in the XYZ martial arts(whatever style it happens to be) association" .

Im not like that am I chris ???

LOL

[Chinny_Lynne 10]

"And lastly, Chefkicker please let the guys from RGJJ put their own case across as your imput on bjj is embarassing!! Stick to what you know"

 

lol

[lotar 10]

Well said Chris !!!!!!

I am very satisfied with the clubs I train at, RGJJN and Wicker Camp. Thats all that really matters to me.

[cagn4y 10]

Cagn4y didn’t you say you trained bjj:confused:

 

If there instruction wasnt up to standard do you think the black belts that assess them, who represent the largest bjj team in the world and personally answer to Carlos Gracie jn would allow them to continue to teach? Progression comes from technique, talent and teaching ability you train bjj don’t you know this??????

 

Every two weeks 50% of the classes at Gracie Barra are taken by a world-class black belt.

 

Now you and your friends train bjj how often do you train with a black belt, world champ out of interest?

 

These are facts that cant be argued, no my dads bigger than your dad.

 

of course there instruction is up to standard, i didn't question their teaching ability, and - it was up to standard when they were blue belts also, which wasn't very long ago...

 

ones ability on the mat does not = ones ability to convey technique. this has nothing to do with bjj, it has to do with teaching - if you want two purple belt instructors, go to Gracie Barra, if you want black belt instructors one per fortnight or whatever, go to Gracie Barra, but if you want an instructor who can teach you in a style which you're able to learn, then try each club and see what feels better for you.

 

so when you refer to purple belts and blackbelts, you're stating fact, when you imply in any way that that makes for better instruction, you're stating a subjective opinion that you can't substantiate by reasoned argument or examples, which i gave in a previous post.

 

blackbelt does not equal good teacher, best practitioner in the world at your chosen event does not equal best teacher in the world at your chosen event...

 

chefkicker's opinion might seem ill-informed to you re: BJJ, but everyone is going to think people's opinions are ill-informed, like yours on teaching, for example...it seems to me no one is seriosuly putting a case across for either club, only those people who don't seem to train at them...

 

once per fortnight, much like many other people covered by Gracie Barra north, but as mentioned before, the best instructors I'VE had aren't blackbelts...

[Cyclone 10]

it didn't look good at all. Knife defences are a waste of time. Any decent instructor will tell you to always reason with an attacker (if possible) first. However, the only time this isn't gonna be possible is if somebody comes up and stabs you in the back while you're totally unaware.

 

This thread has turned into total crap and should be deleted. Its gone totally off topic and to my reckoning is now just troyhark saying knife defences work to everyone else telling him they don't.

So what's your plan? Try to negotiate, if that fails just die?

 

I only have one question for troyhark: if confronted with a knife attack by someone who doesn't know what they're doing with a knife and just wants to stab you are you 100% sure you would defend yourself from being stabbed??

Does something have to be 100% before it's better than 0%? At the moment if you're negotiate fails you're down to 0%, troyhark might be down to 50% success at that point. I know which odds I'd prefer

 

I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that any average joe that doesn't know what they're doing but wants to attack me is gonna be left asleep on the pavement with an imprint of my shoe on the back of their heads.

 

I personally think the best defence to someone coming at you with a knife in front of you is a really hard kick in the knackers. I'd also fancy a thai boxer to do better against an armed attacker a lot more than an aikedo practitioner. Flame away.

 

So you're theory now is that without ever doing any training against knife attacks you're better able to defend yourself than troyhark, who has at least had someone attack him with rubber, wooden and real knives at some point in training?

Seems a little bit like hubris to me.

 

Actually I just finished reading the 2 pages after the post I quoted. Feel free to ignore me as the knife stuff seemed to have gone to sleep before I posted this.

[Cyclone 10]

Having said that if someone from BJJ got attacked by someone with a weapon they would probably do poorly compared to someone who trained with weapons. Every martial art specialises/has biases and as a result has strengths but also weaknesses.

from Troy Hark above.

 

Just been reading Renzo Gracie who says that, in terms of self-defence, all BJJ claims is that it can help you to defend yourself against a single weaponless opponent. Isn't it nice to hear realistic claims made in the martial arts instead of the ridiculous statements many arts make of being able to defend yourself against weapons and/or multiple attackers?

 

This was the first post to mention weapons. It's sad, but I went and checked.

Maybe if themadrev had managed to not insult any style that does any weapons defences at all by claiming that they were ridiculous then the whole sorry 11 page argument about knife defences could have been avoided.

 

Some lesson about respecting other arts, and only talking about things you have relevant experience in there I think.