Anti 4x4 prepare yourselves

[BasilRathbon]

Why can't you just call them land rovers like you used to?

[torin8]

the what will Mr Liivngstone and the rest have to harp on about.

I believe he also has issues with their size on the road / parking and also their safety when in an accident for both their occupants and if the vehicle hits a pedestrian.

Just shows you that it's not all about how much fuel they use...

[willman]

However, full life cycle costs and environmental impacts of many cars - including so-called eco-friendly models, can turn out to be worse than gas-guzzlers. The environmental cost of manufacture and the materials used, then disposal afterwards, can outweigh the 'green' benefits during use.

 

The Jeep Cherokee has been shown to be one of the greenest things on the road in terms of full impact from cradle to grave.

 

 

which was a point i mentioned in an anti 4x4 thread a while ago. dust to dust the cost of eco cars is higher than existing stock vehicles.(at the moment)

i have to assume that these costs will reduce as they become more widespread.

[willman]

I believe he also has issues with their size on the road / parking and also their safety when in an accident for both their occupants and if the vehicle hits a pedestrian.

Just shows you that it's not all about how much fuel they use...

 

 

but thats true od other vehicles as well.

anti 4x4 is like fox hunting, to keep the minions busy whilst other important issues bypass us.

[torin8]

but thats true od other vehicles as well.

anti 4x4 is like fox hunting, to keep the minions busy whilst other important issues bypass us.

Well he has to start somewhere

And remember - the 'anti' lobby won in the fox hunting...

[Johnh]

Can't see the point in them myself ... But then again I've not much use for agricultural machinery in Mosboro! If I needed one it would probably be a Defender, proper tool for the job and doesn't carry the yobbo image of the Shogun and the like!

[Darbees]

For those who might complain these cars are too big, the only dimension of Lexus RX400 which is more than an inch bigger than a Ford Mondeo is the height which is about 10"

 

Bart, the dust to dust winner is Jeep Wrangler. Just thought I'd be a pedant to confirm my car nerdiness.

[willman]

Well he has to start somewhere

And remember - the 'anti' lobby won in the fox hunting...

 

 

that's worries me.

but size isn't everything - especially when child carriers are now larger than most 4x4's. i drove a Grand Scenic last week it was like a tranny.

 

 

sorry Transit van.

[torin8]

For Mr Livingstone it's a great way to levy a tax on those that can afford such vehicles. I believe he's also doing this on 'performance cars' aswell so it's not all about size I guess. In the end the only people that can stop it are the voters and they voted him back in last time. It's only a matter of time before others bring in such pricing in cities around the country.

 

As for the Toyota - yes it looks nice, personally far too much for me and I'd dread to get it scratch on it!

[stackmonkey]

If someone's going to buy a large, expensive, 4x4 for on road use anyway, then one of these isn't a bad to do it, but...

They'll never be used off road, which begs the question, why buy a 4x4?

Running costs cheaper than a vectra? that will be excluding depreciation then...

Fuel economy is 34.9 mpg combined, which is good compared to a petrol powered 4x4, but not compared to anything else.

it may not have a road area much larger than a regular family car, but the weight sure is at over 2 tonnes compared to 1.5 tonnes for a mondeo diesel, explaining why 272bhp still only gets it to 124mph

It, like all 4x4s, has a high centre of gravity and hence has the performance compromises inherent compared to a normal saloon of equivalent weight/cost/performance.