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Sheffield city living: Are they the tenements of tomorrow? (& other scenarios)

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But to be honest, if a person do not own a property to see themselves into retirement. What will give them that kind of financial security ? The oldest commodity in the world. Land, or Gold. Which should a person own ? The land can be worthless tomorrow if the pound falls.

 

However, is it so wrong to own your own home ? :confused:

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Unfortunately, the more historical buildings would be knocked down for this replacement. City centre is only so big. A historical building has history and it stood against the weather for years. To pull down one of these is in a way, cringing to watch.

 

 

Which historical buildings are you referring too? Please give me some examples. Sheffield is already sadly lacking in historical buildings to see any more go is indeed a tragedy.

 

I don't see that there is no need for high rises. You seem to be unaware that the population of Sheffield is growing and on top of that more people choosing to live a single lifestyle. More homes are needed. Where we should build these homes is a matter of opinion and I'm of the opinion that Britain needs more sustainable high rise development, not an extension of the sprawling suburbs which are often built without sufficient infrastructure, thought and on top of green space. The original question regarding whether they will become the tenements of tomorrow, well I think that's up to the council to insit on high quality buildings so that they don't.

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Well, which building was pulled down in replace of the new Winter Garden ?

 

What makes you think that I am unaware that the population is growing ? Have you ever thought who these people are ? Is it from the local population, or from external commuters from elsewhere ?

 

If there are jobs, then there may be more sustainable housing. To build more accomodation in an area where there are not enough jobs. Also, to build more accomodation, therefore supply more, than the demand, well...

 

I'm sure a lot of firts time buyers would want to get onto the property ladder, and sense that bit of freedom, away from home. However, this stage in a person's life may not last. In an odd way, because of this kind of demand, there will be an increase of the supply.

 

A lot of local businesses are already told to sell up, to make rooms for regenerations and development. I don't doubt that the land for these high rises once had small businesses on them. Maybe its time to bring in the big chains, to supply the demands of these Uber Youths which seems to be on the increase.

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Sadly there are fundamental flaws in your post 0742. The failures of the past were not privately owned and the occupants had no vested interest or financial stake in their success.........

 

I agree entirely, my only reservation reagrds Park Hill which if I am correct will be a mix of private and social housing.

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...............And finally, let's not do the "I'm richer than you" thing eh? It's rude, pointless and you never know who you're talking to. ;)

 

 

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi: I get that all the time. 'But your only a tiler, get back to the grouting etc etc etc.' If only they realised the fiscal benefits of a bit of 'grouting'. :D

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My problem is not with people making money, more with 'how' and 'with what' they make it.

 

My parents bought the house that I presently occupy, at a time when there was a degree of sanctity remaining with regard to the 'essential' necessities of life.

Perhaps you believe that homes, as a basic need, are fair game for the unbridled profiteering that Thatchers government unleashed on the poorer and fiscally naive sector of the population; thereby setting a precedent of privatisation of all of lifes necessities.

 

You seem to have no understanding of the way in which the 'sell off' occurred. How the working poulation was duped into buying their property before many millions of them were thrown out of work wholesale and there houses promptly repossessed.

Wow! - You couldn't make it up. I wonder where your sympathies lie?

 

And the money and house thing was taking the wee wee out of the accusation of inverted snobbery - levelled at me by someone who really SHOULD know its meaning.

I was pre-empting the likely assumption that I was one of the struggling multiple credit card flashers in their, financed to the hilt, B.M.W.s whos lives are a total sham.

There really are some very sad people who side with the disgustingly greedy in the hope that others will assume that they too must be disgustingly greedy and well off..

We know that type well up here, they used to own the mines AND the housing

but they realised how easily they could lose it all, untill our

grand fathers/mothers and then our fathers/mothers dragged their sorry

asses through two world wars.

It was a rude awakening for them and the surge of public reforms that followed were testament to the increasing unease that the ruling classes had ignored for too long.

 

I swear that I sometimes wish that we had lost the 2nd war - just to see the faces of the sicko's that are bleeding our country and its people dry.

dragged their sorry asses through two wars

Wow! :wow:

 

You really are that bitter aren't you? Did the dog bite you this morning as well? Would you like to lend a tenner? ;)

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My main concern is the recent trend towards the aquisition of public space/buildings for private interest', - the massive contracts that are being generated benefiting a select few, and the appalling move away from building family HOMES and replacing them with 'trendy' flats that almost exclusively tatget buyers with an eye to a profit. Rather than long term housing for those on more modest incomes.

 

One only has to look at the massive estates that have recently sprung up at Barlborough to contradict this.

 

Look back further and you see huge estates built at Beighton, Sothall, Waterthorpe and Mosborough because that's what demand was for at the time.

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Wow! :

 

You really are that bitter aren't you? Did the dog bite you this morning as well? Would you like to lend a tenner? ;)

 

It's too easy to throw around disparagement and sarcasm Tony, when you are a fully fledged member of the, 'I'm allright Jack' brigade.

And are you short of a tenner? - Or do you mean, would I like to 'borrow' a tenner? I myself don't need a loan but their are a few million homeless people who would be very grateful of the loan.

However, as I stated earlier, like my parents' generation, I have always avoided debt.

 

Bitterness is not my style - it would preclude the expending of energy on those who deserve only passing disgust.

In my opinion, those who would entice desperate people into debt - through re-mortgage etc, or simply through a cultivated need to 'keep up with the neighbours, are beneath contempt.

And city centre housing was never going to be cheap - for a start the disproportionally high number of police concentrated in the city centre is very expensive.

There is a higher visible presence of fuzz in the few square miles of the centre than in the rest of the city put together. A comfort to the few with property in town - and don't say that the fuzz are there to separate drunken brawlers, they don't give a **** who fights as long as they don't damage property in the process.

 

A culture of extreme social exclusion has grown steadily since Thatchers dark reign began, possibly as a reaction to the revolutionary advances in social responcibility that took root in the early sixties.

Now Blair and 'New' labour prove to be mere opportunists who thinly disguise their right wing ideals behind a cloak of socialism; - in a trice they have destroyed years of hard won political balance; and even the notion of equality and 'fairness', began as it was, by a few victorian philanthropists.

 

So feel free to encourage the ongoing insane stampede towards ownership of property. Advance the credit card culture, the selling of our futures for the imagined, dubious pleasures of today. Our economy can't get much worse - can it???

Interest rates? - Lets worry about them later - when they top 40%!!

 

Meanwhile there is a growing realisation of the sence in waiting - renting - and saving. This was the norm in my parents early married years, they rented for twelve years, by which time they could afford to buy.

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What are you saying Alchresearch? That a few dismall estates out in the sticks are as desirable as centre dwellings?

Also you don't mention the extremely high incidence of burglary in these outlying areas due mainly to the appalling responce times of the law and the labrynthine nature of the estates.

The city centre has always had a few dwellings here and there but not to the extent of this developement. Huge parts of the centre should not be the private haven for a select few.

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Bitterness is not my style

Really?

 

it would preclude the expending of energy on those who deserve only passing disgust.

What does that mean?

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100% agree. Its an endless cycle, and the SAME in every City here and in the USA, inner city housing always ends up as slum dwellings. Private or public owned, makes no difference when the 'city living bubble' breaks, as it will in due course. Remember, look to the past for the solutions to the future. 'City living' was all the rage in the 1960's in Sheffield with the new Parkhill, Hyde Park, Broomhall developments, and these too were all mainly flats and apartments in the public sector, but they were pretty much reduced to slum no go areas by the late 1970's.....makes no difference that the new versions are privately owned, when the bubble bursts again as it will do, they will all go the same way......

 

I don't know where you're doing your research, but I think you're absolutely wrong. In vibrant cities throughout the world people are choosing city living. I don't think you can compare grandiose public housing schemes where people were forcibly moved, with people who invest in city living by choice. I also think you're ignoring modern socio-economic factors. However, I think there's a danger in over-building by speculators in cities like Sheffield that have very little draw on new population. These 'me too' schemes that try to copy what is happening in growing cities may well end up as financial and social disaters.

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What are you saying Alchresearch? That a few dismall estates out in the sticks are as desirable as centre dwellings?

Also you don't mention the extremely high incidence of burglary in these outlying areas due mainly to the appalling responce times of the law and the labrynthine nature of the estates.

 

Nope. I'm saying that builders build what the people want. During the 70's and 80's it was Waterthorpe. During the 90's it was virtually a new town in Barlborough for those wishing to live on the outskirts and commute. And now it's city apartments.

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Something that Kensington and Manhattan have in common with the high rise high density housing is that the quality is high.

This won't be/isn't the case with the city centre apartments being built in sheffield. The quality is at best middling, and at worst poor.

 

I dont get this attitude of city centre apartments being poor quality...! I live in one...well insulated, never hear neighbours from above, below or next door, concierge on hand 24 hours a day, communal areas kept clean and painted regularly...and the location suits me perfectly as a young profesional! I dont say I want to be living there for the rest of my life but am more than happy at mo.

 

I could slag off all types of houses accross Sheffield - but wouldnt because other people would see benefit in living there, even if I dont! Would be a sad world if we all liked the same.

 

PS...I live in West One...yes, you heard me correctly.....!

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