alankearn Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Like most people (but not football managers) I believe that wrong decisions made by referees even themselves out over time but here again we have the Chelsea manager Mouriho moaning about what were possibly two wrong decisions on Sundays match against Tottenham but conveniently forgetting about the ones that have gone their way in the past. As my memory is a bit iffy at times would someone please correct me on this if I am wrong, especially as it concerns John Terry one of the footballers involved in one of the incidents on Sunday . About two years ago there was a high scoring European Champions match between Chelsea and Barcelona I think the result was 4-3 to Chelsea and if I remember correctly Chelsea's last goal came about because John Terry held the goalkeeper or a defender down with his arm and a foul was NOT given. If I am correct in what I remember, matches dont come much bigger than this to have wrong decisions given in your favour so why does Mouriho make life more difficult for referees than it needs to be. Unlike Mr Mourinho referees are not infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Loving Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 But Mourinho is very correct in what he is saying. Why should drogba's goal be disallowed? Why should terry have been sent off? It's not like the ref has missed something on both incidents, it is a case of seeing something that is not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishdude Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 QUOTE=alankearn]Like most people (but not football managers) I believe that wrong decisions made by referees even themselves out over time Sorry but I have to disagree with that. That's like saying that the Chelsea/Barca incident was evened out by Liverpools "goal" that didn't go over the line against Chelsea in the same competition. In this day and age Refs and linesmen are still making bad decisions too frequently. When a striker times his run to be onside when a ball is passed to him and then his goal is disallowed because of poor refereeing or the linesman sees another player player who is offside but not interfering with play but gives it anyway. this happens week in, week out. The rule about whether a player who is offside is interfering with play has not yet been mastered/interpreted by refs and linesmen yet. Why not? Ok they are only human but they are supposed to be professionals with good eyesight and more importantly, good concentration. Fouls in the penalty area is another thing. Premiership refs have been in the game long enough to spot the difference between a dive and a foul but already this season there have been plenty of bad decisions in this area. Sheffield Utd can vouch for that as can Watford where the offside decision comes in. When do their decisions get "evened out ", when they are back in the Championship? Players need sorting out as well, this crowding round the Ref to influence his decision could be sorted by introducing a 5 minute " Sin Bin " like they have in rugby. Think you might see a dramatic drop in players dissent if that happened. On the whole, inconsistency in refereeing is spoiling the game. What's given or not given in one game should be, (Within reason ) the same in all games. That is down to the FA who should be monitoring their officials more efficiently. Think about it, How would you like to be not done for speeding on Halifax Rd because you are doing 40 mph and the speed camera is set at 40 mph but get done on Prince of Wales Rd because the camera was accidently set at 35 mph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyesey Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 When a striker times his run to be onside when a ball is passed to him and then his goal is disallowed because of poor refereeing or the linesman sees another player player who is offside but not interfering with play but gives it anyway. this happens week in, week out. The rule about whether a player who is offside is interfering with play has not yet been mastered/interpreted by refs and linesmen yet. Why not? Because it's physically impossible to do so. In order to accurately judge a player to be on- or off-side, you have to be looking directly at him and looking directly at the ball-player at the same time. No human alive can do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottishdude Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Because it's physically impossible to do so. In order to accurately judge a player to be on- or off-side, you have to be looking directly at him and looking directly at the ball-player at the same time. No human alive can do this. But a video can, they do it in Rugby and it takes about the same length of time as it takes for all the players to do all their protesting before the match can restart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Hack Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 But Mourinho is very correct in what he is saying. Why should drogba's goal be disallowed? Why should terry have been sent off? It's not like the ref has missed something on both incidents, it is a case of seeing something that is not there. The 'goal' was a non-incident, Drogba headed the ball in from about four yards but the whistle had been blown long before and Robinson had pulled out of coming for a ball he would almost certainly have got. Everyone but Drogba had stopped playing. The sending off confuses me. Why did Terry not look remotely surprised? I think there is more to that than the cameras picked up. Ghaly should have been sent off for his elbow. Lampard was lucky not to pick up at least a booking for his tackle in the eighth minute that left Chimbonda injured. Still, great game, great goals, Mourinho needs to demonstrate a little bit of humility in defeat occasionally, as well as in victory. And now they're claiming Poll said Chelsea 'Needed to be taught a lesson.' Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadgetgirl Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Well as the refs are taped, it will be easy for the FA to prove or disprove it. The factthat they've not come out with a definitive answer on it, suggests that he did say that or something similar. Perhaps Poll and the nutter last night 'Rennie' need the media spotlight on them for their 'personal' development. Hasn't Poll got a book out soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Loving Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 The 'goal' was a non-incident, Drogba headed the ball in from about four yards but the whistle had been blown long before and Robinson had pulled out of coming for a ball he would almost certainly have got. Everyone but Drogba had stopped playing. Oh come on, the pace the ball was going it was a natural header, people was still playing and you know it. The sending off confuses me. Why did Terry not look remotely surprised? I think there is more to that than the cameras picked up. Ghaly should have been sent off for his elbow. Lampard was lucky not to pick up at least a booking for his tackle in the eighth minute that left Chimbonda injured. Terry did walk off very calmly yes. Not sure why no, but I saw nothing, nor did cameras pick it up. Poll if he had seen anything that was that bad he would surely have stated why he went after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le_Rosbif Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Terry was sent off for trying to take the limelight away from Poll. And Drogba's goal was disallowed due to his illegal "plastic" haircut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Hack Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Oh come on, the pace the ball was going it was a natural header, people was still playing and you know it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmn0qbVeWjs Watch Robinson. He's claiming the ball, then pulls out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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