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My Father can remember talking to the Italian prisoners of war in the camp at Lodge Moor,when he was a boy.

 

yes i use to chat but i only 5 at that time and came out of Fullwood homes V.J day in 46:|:|

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My Dad was in his early teens when he used to walk to visit his grandparents who lived in Mayfield Valley.He would stop to talk to the POWs on his way home.He remembers the winter of 1947 when the area was virtually cut off,but he and his brother would still walk there to take provisions for them.His grandparents were Jane and John(ka Pip) Nuttall.

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hi mary just seen your post my mum passed away nov 05,i am trying to do a family tree and found out my mums dad was an italian pow we were told he died on a ship on the way back home,we know his name is guiseppe saffronelli not sure if this is right spelling but sounds like it)is there a named list anywhere of pow that you know off.

 

thanks paul

 

I've only just seen this so it may be no use.

Guiseppe may not have been a returning POW but an internee on the famous Arandora Star sunkl by U-Boat July 1940

I suppose you could check the date of your mum's birth and for it's possibilities.

Kevin

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didnt the italian p o w,s help build parson cross housing estate ?

 

I remember the Italians and the Germans building the Parson cross estate

up to I think 1947.

 

I thought there was a POW camp in the Chapeltown -or High Green- area which is closer to the 'new' Parson Cross (the Ecclesfield end) and I understood that they built the all concrete roads, of which some still exist and not the houses.

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There were German POWs there as well, my late Grandfather had one for tea in Walkeley.

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There were German POWs there as well, my late Grandfather had one for tea in Walkeley.

 

Roasted or grilled.Sorry but I could not resist it.

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I've only just seen this so it may be no use.

Guiseppe may not have been a returning POW but an internee on the famous Arandora Star sunkl by U-Boat July 1940

I suppose you could check the date of your mum's birth and for it's possibilities.

Kevin

 

There is a list online of all the people that died in the sinking of the Andora Star

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Does anyone have an image of the Lodge Moor/Redmires POW camp ruins which I could use on our Reading Sheffield website (http://www.readingsheffield.co.uk). Our project is about reading and libraries in Sheffield in the 20th c and we've just come across some info on the use made by the POWs of Sheffield Libraries. Happy to credit any images used.

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my uncle used to go across and collect work parties from here to labour at farms in Stannington & Bradfield

(my dad was too young, only 12 when the war ended)

he used to collect German's & Italian's...

 

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A recent article from The Guardian below.

The forgotten history of what was once Britain’s biggest prisoner of war camp has been unearthed by archaeologists in the South Yorkshire countryside.

At its peak in the second world war, Lodge Moor camp near Sheffield held more than 11,000 mostly German captives.

Its extraordinary stories have been overlooked for more than 60 years as its moss-covered remains were shrouded in mystery.

But it was during the first world war that the prison, formally known as Prisoner of War Camp 17, held its most infamous inmate. Admiral Karl Dönitz was the captain of several German U-boats who was captured by Allied forces when his vessel, U-boat 68, was forced to surface in October 1918.

The admiral spent about six weeks at the Sheffield camp, according to the research, before feigning mental illness to avoid being treated as a war criminal. Dönitz was released back to Germany, where he rose to become commander of Hitler’s U-boats and head of the German navy, before going on to succeed Hitler as president of the German Reich.

Lodge Moor was one of about 1,500 prisoner of war camps in Britain during the second world war but its significance, in terms of its huge size and type of prisoner, was not widely known.

Only partial remains exist of the site, now a popular dog-walking spot about five miles west of Sheffield on the edge of the Peak District.

Its history is occasionally discussed by local residents on internet forums but this research, by the University of Sheffield and the Sheffield Lakeland Landscape Partnership, is thought to be the first study of its kind of Lodge Moor.

At the beginning of the second world war, the camp was occupied mostly by Italian prisoners, who were put to work on local farms and appeared to enjoy good relations with their Yorkshire neighbours, who would share with them their limited supplies of tea.

However, quality of life in the camp deteriorated sharply with the sudden influx of German prisoners.

Rob Johnson, one of the archaeology students who surveyed the site, said: “The prisoners were fed food out of galvanised dustbins, had to stand outside in the mud, rain and cold for several hours a day during roll call, and since it was so overpopulated as a transit camp, they were squashed into tents or the barracks with little personal space.”

The study unearthed investigations into conditions at the camp by the International Committee for the Red Cross, which, in 1944, described it as “insufficient/uninhabitable” with half of the captives in huts and the other half in tents. The researchers found witness testimony suggesting there were more than 70 prisoners per barrack, more than double the official number of 30.

In common with other prisoner of war camps in Britain, Lodge Moor saw its share of drama. On 20 December 1944 a group of German prisoners managed to escape the site – but were captured in nearby Rotherham just 24 hours later.

Another escape plan ended in grisly fashion. One prisoner, Gerhardt Rettig, was chased around the Nissen huts by hundreds of inmates and beaten to a pulp after being suspected of tipping off Allied guards about a planned break-out in March 1945. Rettig later died in prison and his alleged killers were put on trial in London later that year. Two men, Armin Keuhne, 18, and Emil Schmittendorf, 31, were found guilty of his murder and executed by hanging at Pentonville prison in November 1945.

The students involved in the study said they hoped their findings would be used to preserve and restore the site and the surrounding woodland. Georgina Goodison, an archaeology student involved in the project, said: “It was a big eye opener for me, as I didn’t realise that Lodge Moor camp even exists. The woodland hides it well. It hides the secrets of all the thousands of men who were housed there merely decades ago.”

 

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