Fingerprinting in pubs

[DaBouncer]

Again it doesn't you're obviously seeing further into this than the news story indicates. Maybe it's just the "one small step at a time" and maybe not.

 

Maybe the local authorities will pass my information on to a NATIONAL database... maybe they wont.

Again, I have done nothing wrong and therefore worry about it less.

 

Maybe if you'd have worked in the door trade you'd hold a similar view to my own with regards to public safety and security safety. Maybe this news would be more welcomed. I'm not saying you need to do that to have an opinion, but just that your opinion may differ if you had (or maybe not).

 

With regards to your figures on:

 

"The rate of false positives on single fingerprint biometrics today is between 1/100 and 1/10".

Do you have anything to prove this? Or is this just a made up statement?

 

Not that I'd doubt your less than honest opinion cyclone.

I do enjoy how much you know on every single subject posted on this forum

[nightrider]

Can't believe you idiots voting for it. 1984 etc.

 

Just how blind is everybody??!!!

 

Many people simply seem to think the goverment would never, ever do anything to harm them. Its only people who have something to hide who could possibly object etc etc

[DaBouncer]

Can't believe you idiots voting for it. 1984 etc.

 

Just how blind is everybody??!!!

Ah... a well thought out argument... well done

[nightrider]

Again it doesn't you're obviously seeing further into this than the news story indicates. Maybe it's just the "one small step at a time" and maybe not.

 

Maybe the local authorities will pass my information on to a NATIONAL database... maybe they wont.

Again, I have done nothing wrong and therefore worry about it less.

 

M

 

until some future goverment decides you have done something wrong, no. Thats why many people dont want our civil liberties infringed. We have no idea what kind of goverment we will have in 10 years. Maybe they will decide to round up all the people of some ethnicity, religion or politcal persuasion (and dont say it could never happen. It has happened last century already in germany and russia).

 

I cannot understand why they need all our fingerprints and not just the troublemakers. The scheme could work either way, but apparently they want all our fingerprints (or is this wrong?).

[nightrider]

I would also question why known troublemakers are not simply locked up if it is known they are going to start fights.

[xircon]

But how does this work? Fists and feet don't leave fingerprints, if you have taken say 200 or 300 sets of fingerprints on a night, how do you know which set belongs to the person/people who kicked off in your establishment? Surely better video surveillance would be a better use of funds.

[Cyclone]

 

"The rate of false positives on single fingerprint biometrics today is between 1/100 and 1/10".

Do you have anything to prove this? Or is this just a made up statement?

 

Not that I'd doubt your less than honest opinion cyclone.

I do enjoy how much you know on every single subject posted on this forum

 

http://www.gcn.com/print/21_25/19773-1.html

 

Enjoy reading.

This is 1% false positives with state of the art technology.

With portable, cheap equipment it increases vastly.

 

I happen to remember the figures since some laptops have started having fingerprint readers in place of a password.

Several computer magazines tested the laptop and several usb fingerprint readers that are on the market and found that 1/10 people in the office could unlock the computer (not counting the original user who could unlock it 9/10 times).

 

As a practical matter, simply using biometrics by itself doesn’t work,” he said, because all biometric systems make errors. If sensitivity is reduced to make a system user-friendly, the number of false acceptances rises, hindering security.

 

Likewise, increasing sensitivity to heighten security results in high numbers of false rejections and inconvenience for users.

 

In this context a false acceptance is detecting you in the database when you aren't there.

So we either have it not working and letting in the banned people (some of the time), or working more effectively but also stopping legitimate users from entering the bar.

 

Given the number of people who go through a pubs doors on a friday night that could be 10 - 100 genuine people turned away or 1 - 10 banned people getting in.

[Darbees]

Can't believe you idiots voting for it. 1984 etc.

 

Just how blind is everybody??!!!

I agree, I can't believe how many people are sleep walking into this sneaky way of getting information onto the central databases, who is going to control who has access to it? The authorities are doing everything to get everyones fingerprints, DNA and photos on a central database to share with their various departments, tax, social security, customs, police etc, now it's even nightclubs ffs. The naivety of people is astonishing, done nothing wrong so nothing to worry about is a classic line but I think anyone who says that and is then wrongly accused of something may well change their mind.

[DaBouncer]

I agree, I can't believe how many people are sleep walking into this sneaky way of getting information onto the central databases, who is going to control who has access to it? The authorities are doing everything to get everyones fingerprints, DNA and photos on a central database to share with their various departments, tax, social security, customs, police etc, now it's even nightclubs ffs. The naivety of people is astonishing, done nothing wrong so nothing to worry about is a classic line but I think anyone who says that and is then wrongly accused of something may well change their mind.

This argument could go on all day.

Ok so if the government shared your fingerprints with the above... does that make a difference?

 

Tax: Well have you been tax evading? No... then will it matter?

Social Security: So you've been claiming while working? No... then will it matter?

Customs: Well have you been illegally importing goods you shouldn't or evading import duties? No... then will it matter?

Police: Have you committed a crime? Visited a prostitute? Sold drugs? No... then will it matter?

 

And as to the whole... well if these people get "wrongly accused" of something then they'll change their minds. According to cyclones stats of 1/100 give a false positive then that's better odds than being picked out of a line up (i'd guess).

 

Having been paid to stand in many police line ups in my youth days, I can say it's astonishing the amount of times the witness has picked the wrong "suspect" from the line up so maybe the use of finger printing is a better way forward.

 

As I understand it too, your fingerprints are wiped from police records after a certain amount of years too. Cyclone feel free to correct me on this

[Darbees]

This argument could go on all day.

 

Tax: Well have you been tax evading? No... then will it matter?

Social Security: So you've been claiming while working? No... then will it matter?

Customs: Well have you been illegally importing goods you shouldn't or evading import duties? No... then will it matter?

Police: Have you committed a crime? Visited a prostitute? Sold drugs? No... then will it matter?

 

Yes the argument will go on until we get into a situation where people aren't allowed to argue as in 1984.

 

Theoretically it shouldn't matter if we haven't done those things but unfortunately it's not as simple as that and there are constant mistakes and people will be falsely accused of all kinds of things.

 

The powers that be are exaggerating the dangers we are in as we go about our daily lives and using this to bring unneccessary controls into play and you are falling for it.