Fingerprinting in pubs

[Valdw]

... I'm not worried because I don't do anything I shouldn't be doing. Therefore... no worries.

 

If we could trust the government to both a)avoid needless meddling, and b) manage a database properly, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately it can't do either.

 

Val

[Cyclone]

Always the cynic cylone.

The way I see if I do nothing wrong then I wont have anything to fear by having them fingerprint me on my way in to the venue.

If I have done nothing wrong then I wont be barred from said venues.

 

Even if the information is passed on the police.. I haven't done anything wrong so I'm not worried about any possible outcome.

 

I can only see this coming in as a good thing.

 

I get fingerprinted everytime I visit the US and I'm not worried because I don't do anything I shouldn't be doing. Therefore... no worries.

 

as always then, you'd be happy with a tracking chip, and cctv in every room of your house.

 

nothing to hide right.

 

do civil liberties and privacy mean so little to you that you'd give them up for any half baked excuse the government comes up with?

[DaBouncer]

If we could trust the government to both a)avoid needless meddling, and b) manage a database properly, I'd agree with you, but unfortunately it can't do either.

 

Val

In your opinion.

 

I feel this information will be kept mainly within local police service's for their information and updating the database with the trouble makers details.

 

Like I say I don't have any reason to be worried about this coming to Sheffield and quite welcome it.

Then again I have had experience of working the doors in sheffield and this will greatly help door staff to do their jobs more efficiently and provide a safer environment for customers.

 

So long as updating the database is held with local police services and not vindictive bar managers or unprofessional security then I don't see any issues.

[DaBouncer]

as always then, you'd be happy with a tracking chip, and cctv in every room of your house.

 

nothing to hide right.

 

do civil liberties and privacy mean so little to you that you'd give them up for any half baked excuse the government comes up with?

A little over dramatic I think there cyclone.

We're not talking about the government controlling your life here and big brother monitoring your EVERY SINGLE MICROSCOPIC MOVEMENT we're talking about making it safer for people to have a goo time of an evening/weekend.

 

If you can't honestly see the difference then I obviously gave you too much credit in times gone by.

[nightrider]

Well it doesn't quite come to Sheffield yet but it is in line for a trial along with other cities in the country.

 

Ful story here.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Is it a good idea or a bad idea?

As an ex door supervisor I would argue that this is a great idea as far as public safety is concerned. Obviously it breaching personal information and will probably increase Q time at busy night spots but I'd say it's a small price to pay for knowing that KNOWN trouble makers are kept out of the venue you're frequenting.

 

Could be a good idea, but only if there are extremely strict controls on not sharing this data with others with harsh penalties for not complying

[Cyclone]

It's a creeping loss of civil liberties.

Each step people will say "don't be so dramatic, it's only a small change".

 

I suspect you might find this argument more compelling actually.

The rate of false positives on single fingerprint biometrics today is between 1/100 and 1/10.

How happy are you going to be when you can't get into a single pub in the city because your fingerprint is similar to someone who's been banned?

I can see the post on the forum now, and it would have lots of ****s in it.

[nightrider]

hang on why do they need my fingerprints at all?

 

Surely they only need the trouble makers and compare mine to this known list, but have no need to keep my prints on file!

[Cyclone]

In your opinion.

 

I feel this information will be kept mainly within local police service's for their information and updating the database with the trouble makers details.

 

You feel.

 

I suspect that the government will feel that it would be a good idea if the database was integrated with the national police one.

 

So we have children having fingerprints taken now at an age before they can properly consent.

Anyone who goes into a pub having fingerprints taken...

 

If they add another system to use fingerprints when any sort of benefit (including state pension) is collected, then they'll very quickly have got the entire countries fingerprints on file.

[Cyclone]

hang on why do they need my fingerprints at all?

 

Surely they only need the trouble makers and compare mine to this known list, but have no need to keep my prints on file!

 

That's true, hands up if you think it would be implemented like that?

[Guderian]

Can't believe you idiots voting for it. 1984 etc.

 

Just how blind is everybody??!!!