dramadiva Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 can i just step in and kind of defend discodown - his beef isn't really with sheffield council, it's with chesterfield, we are busy setting up a new night, been doing so for a couple of months, everything goes fine, then at the 11th hour the council turn round and tell us to sod off, it's really annoying we had to cancel last saturday and friday we could only go til 12:30 even though both nights we had been promised a 4am licence! he's just trying to point out that even when new people try to set up, if they don't know you it's really hard to get a foot in - you need to know someone who knows someone, i know that that's not always the case, but come on seriously, even after the weekends events, niche will carry on..., as it always does, who the hell is he paying off??? - sorry frustration at the injustice of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4321 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 can i just step in and kind of defend discodown - his beef isn't really with sheffield council, it's with chesterfield, we are busy setting up a new night, been doing so for a couple of months, everything goes fine, then at the 11th hour the council turn round and tell us to sod off, it's really annoying we had to cancel last saturday and friday we could only go til 12:30 even though both nights we had been promised a 4am licence! he's just trying to point out that even when new people try to set up, if they don't know you it's really hard to get a foot in - you need to know someone who knows someone, i know that that's not always the case, but come on seriously, even after the weekends events, niche will carry on..., as it always does, who the hell is he paying off??? - sorry frustration at the injustice of it all. I fully agree with you. I think a freemason deal has been in operation. How can operater of a venue change venues a week after a near fatality occured at his previous venue. I know promoters that have been told they can not operate and i have seen club managers threatened by the police saying if there is trouble at your venue then your license may be revoked in the next hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhippy Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Is that right? In a city this size you feel you only really have one viable choice for a night out featuring the music you want to listen to? And that doesn't make you angry? If there were enough venues then maybe you could do something about that. To be fair there are a few one off nights that cater for you in various venues. Actually, yes, and it's one night a week - the style of music I want to hear isn't on at the same venue at any other time. There are a couple of DJ's who have regular nights - unfortunately one of those happens to be as far away from me as it's possible to get in Sheffield. Chesterfield is nearer. With the exception of the Corp on a Saturday, there's pretty much bugger all in the city centre, certainly late on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 Do I interpet this observation as meaning you are in favour of the city centre streets being constantly littered with unwanted flyers? Would you please clarify your comment. the streets on a weekend are littered with takeaway food wrappers, blood, vomit, broken glass and all the usual weekend rubbish. someones out cleaning it up anyway so why the persecution of promoters and people dishing out flyers? its just another way the council squeezes the life out of the clubs again. whats the fine for flyposting? leeds council are charging £175 per permit to dish out flyers, it'll come to sheffield. promoters can't afford that. why the relentless harrassment? why not charge devonshire chippy for all the rubbish there? why not hassle murdocks, chubbies or any of the kebab houses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 I've fobbed no-one off discodown. You made this claim a few minutes ahead of my reply to the posters who asked me questions about flyering and associated litter problems. We clearly disagree over whether the council does or does not have responsibility for providing clubbing venues in the city, but discodown, I've now answered five points raised with me on this thread. That's hardly fobbing anyone off, surely? i'm perfectly happy to retract the statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discodown Posted October 3, 2006 Author Share Posted October 3, 2006 on the contrary golden . i found a flyer in my jacket yesterday morning, completely forgotten about, given to me after coming out of plug last friday (which, incidentally was an excellent night). it had listings for the next month at plug, one event of which, i will now definately be going to. Flyers do work. and for me, are about the only way i get to hear of nights, apart from coming on here and trying to read posters stuck to lamposts, as i'm driving by at some speed.absolutely. when it comes to promotion there is no better way of getting the word out than talking to people and giving them a flyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbo Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 the streets on a weekend are littered with takeaway food wrappers, blood, vomit, broken glass and all the usual weekend rubbish. someones out cleaning it up anyway so why the persecution of promoters and people dishing out flyers? its just another way the council squeezes the life out of the clubs again. whats the fine for flyposting? leeds council are charging £175 per permit to dish out flyers, it'll come to sheffield. promoters can't afford that. why the relentless harrassment? why not charge devonshire chippy for all the rubbish there? why not hassle murdocks, chubbies or any of the kebab houses? 1. Surveys have shown that the bulk of litter on the city centre streets at weekends is created by unwanted flyers. 2. Just because litter occurs by various means, doesn't give anyone the right to add to the mess by other means, e.g., unwanted flyers. 3. The council is not squeezing the life out of clubs in any way at all, let alone "again". 4. Promoters and "people dishing out flyers" are not being persecuted. {NB. Your language is getting more hysterical}. 5.I do not know what is the fine for flyposting. I have no need to know. 6. I trust that permits for flyering is most definitely coming to Sheffield. It will help the council control some of the unwanted litter on our streets and pavements. 7. Why can't promoters develop electronic means of communicating with a mass audience? Why does it have to be done via flyers "dished out" in the street- the bulk of which are unwanted, and simply dropped or thrown away? 8. We will differ on what constitutes "hassle". green - I have checked my records back at the Town Hall today, and can only find a briefing record that promoters/venues were consulted on illegal fly-posting - but no mention of flyering. My apologies if I have inadvertently conflated these two elements into one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossian Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 7. Why can't promoters develop electronic means of communicating with a mass audience? Why does it have to be done via flyers "dished out" in the street- the bulk of which are unwanted, and simply dropped or thrown away? I am going to have to step in here and say that redrobbo, you obviously have no idea what is involved in club promotion. Take the example of the new promoter (let's call him John) who has a love of a certain style of new music, possibly which is not represented currently in Sheffield. John decides he wants to start his own night and bring this wonderful new music to Sheffield. The only real way of effective mass electronic marketing is through a comprehensive email and/or SMS database. How exactly is John supposed to acquire said database, if he's only just starting out? It takes years of successful promoting to build a good database. Also you are presuming that John's potential clientele are familiar/have access to the internet, but the truth is a significant percentage of the population don't have access to or have no interest in using the internet, so that instantly puts them out of the reach of John's (very limited) online marketing campaign. Say John's night represents a new form of music not found anywhere else in the country. People could start travelling to Sheffield to go to John's night, and Sheffield becomes famous for John's music. Big, corporate run clubs rarely take risks with new, innovative forms of music because the tried and tested formula of cheese / commercial music makes them the most money, and that's all they're interested in. They're not interested in building a new "scene". John isn't interested in making money, he's probably not even bothered if he loses a bit, just as long as he puts on a good night with the music he loves. John can't afford to pay the licensing fee to flyer for his night, or for Space to put up his posters as the total would probably be equivalent to more than the door take of his little night, even if it's full, plus you have to add on all his other costs on top. This is precisely why the council's policies are suffocating our music and cultural industry. With no cost effective legal way of advertising to the masses, new (and to a certain extent established) small promoters are effectively being pushed out of the picture. I think, in summary, the problem comes from the council not understanding that John exists, or understanding how important he is to Sheffield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyhark Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Before flyers existed clubs used to open and people used to go to them. maybe someone should investigate those old fashioned techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carcrash Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Will this also relate to policical parties who decide to put flyers through my letter box when I don't want their rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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