William Legon Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 What a shame that a hardworking teacher who gives up his spare time for the students of his school should be treated in this way. I was a teacher once, and I too used to volunteer my time taking students away on weekends - and this is no likely undertaking I can assure you. Without a doubt this is an unfortunate turn of events for this teacher and arguably he was wrong to allow these students to drink alcohol in a pub. But what are his choices? It is also arguable that he could have kept them with him at the campsite. And, in my experience it is easy to imagine also that these same children would have been drinking alcohol anyway in the privacy of their tents. Getting any such behaviour into the open and into a controlled environment must surely be considered to be a managing an inevitable situation positively: far better than naively pretending children don't drink and won't drink, if you ask me. So what now? Well I hope that this teacher won't be brow beaten by the culture of blame that is so prevalent in today's society. I hope instead he has the strength to pick himself up and continues to volunteer what precious spare time he has to help the youth of today's society. Chances are though, like so many teachers before him, he will understandably call it a day... and I don't see anyone else in the queue to take his place. Well gee, thanks, "mum Sharon Marsden". Will Legon original article here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Typical Star story and typical picture of browbeaten, downtroden parent on the front page moaning about the fact that her 15 year old daughter was taken to a pub and, by her own admission, had a soft drink. Not that she's hanging around bus shelters drinking White Lightning on any other night of the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrwholloway Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 It's a really stupid story... and very poor reporting, Maybe each and every parent should consider what age they first started having a drink... I'll lay a fiver pretty much everyone had one by at least 15. He's just doing his job, no-one was harmed, how sad that he's now going to go through the mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 I was on Shandies at the age of 14 iirc... Started on the hard stuff at 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**Topgun** Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Some of these parents should get a life. I don't condone under age drinking but I bet everbody has had a crafty tipple at a party or a wedding or on a youth club outing etc. etc. I bet the same sad parent has even said " go on have a sip of wine, it's Christmas, it won't hurt"........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxman Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Its just a way for some scrotey parent to have a go at the school and get their ugly fizzog in the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Some of these parents should get a life. I don't condone under age drinking but I bet everbody has had a crafty tipple at a party or a wedding or on a youth club outing etc. etc. I bet the same sad parent has even said " go on have a sip of wine, it's Christmas, it won't hurt"........... I used to have a sip of Uncle's bitters when I was younger, that's probably why I prefer bitters and real ales nowadays to your standard beers like Stella etc. That and the fact that the Robin Hood doesn't even sell Stella, they don't have Guinness either annoyingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katy1981 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 some parents like to rant and rave about how people influance their children to misbehave or " ohh its the ones they hang about with that i blame" and the they got in with a bad crowd thats all rubbish well im a parent and ive also been a teen and a very naughty one at that i drank alcohol at 13/14 and was smoking cannabis at 15 was hanging around street corners with other teens doing the same thing and no one pressured me into anything i did it all of my own accord my parents were well aware of what i was doing they sat me down told me the possible consequences of my actions and also the legalities of what i was doing i lived with my older sister at the time and she also knew what i was doing and she did the same as my parents i had all the facts and felt that if anything bad was to happen to me it would be because I choose to drink and smoke id have done it with or without my parents and sister knowing, i was lucky becuse 95% of the time my sister and parents let me do it in the house with my freinds so i wasnt hanging around the streets like most do and tbh lets face it its not super safe for youngsters to be on the streets at night drinking or not these days my point is because my parents and sister knew i was drinking and smoking cannabis are they bad people? should they be prosecuted for allowing me and my freinds to do so in a safe enviroment under their supervision where we wouldnt get hurt or get into any danger? parents need to realize kids are going to try things its natural human curiosity. they need to give their children all the facts they can about all the dangers out there today knowledge is the greatest and most powerfull thing you can give your child knowledge will alow your children to make choices and also children should be allowed to deal with any subsicuent consequences due to their actions id sooner my son be doing these things with me present tbh but thats just my own personal veiws i understand some wont agree but i still stand by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrobbo Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Interesting points of view expressed by katy1981 and others. However, perhaps we need to broaden the discussion and consider some additional points. The licensing laws of the country do not allow alcohol to be served to minors. The actions of the school teacher, however well intentioned they may have been, has placed the licensee of the pub in jeopardy of being prosecuted and at risk of losing his license - and thus his livelihood. In addition, a school teacher in this situation is acting in loco parentis. As such, he has a duty of care and responsibility towards his pupils, which, in my opinion, does not include taking school children to the pub to participate in under-age drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katy1981 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Interesting points of view expressed by katy1981 and others. However, perhaps we need to broaden the discussion and consider some additional points. The licensing laws of the country do not allow alcohol to be served to minors. The actions of the school teacher, however well intentioned they may have been, has placed the licensee of the pub in jeopardy of being prosecuted and at risk of losing his license - and thus his livelihood. In addition, a school teacher in this situation is acting in loco parentis. As such, he has a duty of care and responsibility towards his pupils, which, in my opinion, does not include taking school children to the pub to participate in under-age drinking. true blatently allowing them to consume alcohol so pubicly was wrong like i have already stated when i did drink alcohol when underage it was done 95% of the time at home not in a pub also have these children been drinking alcohol or just taken to a pub im a bit unclear about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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