"I smack and I'm proud of it"

[s12blade]

really.....

[Jabberwocky]

I might take up smoking again then, in favour of the 12 foot, fish hook embedded bullwhip that i usually use.

[scoop]

Scoop when was the last time that society as a whole thought it was ok for a man to beat a woman? How can you even compare that with a way of disciplining a child. Adults Do know right from wrong and there is a bit of a difference between domestic abuse and trying to find a harmless way to discipline a child.

 

I do see your point Cyclone, but personally I wouldn't see you taking my lunch money as bullying no.

 

I compare it because I dont see any difference. A man smacking his wife to control her is no different to a parent smacking their child to control them.

 

I dont think the smacking is about discipline, its about control. The man who was smacking his child on that programme last night was a complete pig who just couldn't accept anyone not doing what he told them to do.

 

I don't think smacking is harmless. You call a man smacking his wife domestic abuse. I call a parent smacking their child child abuse.

[NatalieSheff]

if you smack within a family-how are peoples thought about grandparents and aunties etc smacking their child? or is it just the parents that should?

[Cyclone]

But I don't have a paypal account, boohoo don't do it!!

 

You don't need one, you can use switch or visa to pay into mine.

 

Would it save time if you pay me a week at a time?

[Tricky]

Parental control stems from the fact that they provide for the child. If the child disobeys, you don't provide something. They soon get the idea of consequences for actions.

If the best consequence you can think of is to hit them, then you lack imagination.

 

Sorry, I missed this gem.

 

This only works if you can provide something that they want at the time of the incident. They don't 'soon get the idea'; they are 2 year-old children, not Pavlovs dogs. If there is anyone on this thread who lacks imagination, it is you as you clearly have no idea what toddlers are capable of.

 

Scenario 1: child runs away and into road.

Tricky Soln: restrain child

Cyclone soln: refuse to provide him with....(what? I've no idea)

 

Scenario 2: child keeps eating mud

Tricky Soln: forcibly separate child and mud

Cyclone soln: refuse to provide him with.......

 

Scenario 3: Child repeatedly headbuts television screen while screaming.

Tricky Soln: restrain child

Cyclone soln: refuse to provide him with.......

 

Scenario 4: Child runs away in Sainsburys during packing and procedes to swing on the automatic doors, getting in everyone's way and soon breaking it.

Tricky Soln: forcibly remove child from door

Cyclone soln: refuse to provide him with.......

 

Scenario 5: Child refuses to sit on naughty step

Tricky Soln: Shut child in room for a Time-out

Cyclone soln: refuse to provide him with.......

 

etc.

 

 

Incidently, I have never smacked my son, but having been through the escalation of cajoling, bribes, commands, threats, withdrawn privileges, naughty step, time-out and sorted out the devastation of his room with books having been hurled and ripped, drawers overturned and wallpaper torn and him in a state of hysteria, I often wondered whether a quick smack wouldn't have been the better option.

 

We seem to be past that phase now, thankfully.

[banesmabes]

The reason I think smacking occasionally is ok is because it is not anything like an adult giving another adult a thump.

 

 

Why not? Physical violence is physical violence. It doesn't matter what form it takes. If you smacked an adult in the same way you smack a child then you can be charged with assault. Why are children not afforded the same courtesy and protection?

[Tricky]

Why not? Physical violence is physical violence. It doesn't matter what form it takes. If you smacked an adult in the same way you smack a child then you can be charged with assault. Why are children not afforded the same courtesy and protection?

 

For much the same reasons as they're not treated like adults in any other way.

[banesmabes]

if it doesn't hurt then it will be of no use in discipling.

 

Exactly. The reason kids used to be so scared of misbehaving in schools was because the cane HURT. Physical punishments only works when you inflict pain. Inflicting pain is a cruel punishment. We have realised this as far as adults are concerned, and to a certain extent where children are concerned, but for some reason our society can't seem to give children the full protection they deserve.

[fox20thc]

Well being the wooly liberal parent that I am accused of. I sat and watched this with both my children 8 +11. My eight year old pointed out that the little boy Mitchell just wanted a bit of his parents attention seeing as the baby was constantly on their hip. NO wonder he was jealous.

 

Out of the mouths of babes eh They watched it with a new found respect for the fact that regardless of how much they drive me to distraction this is one form of discipline I don't do.

 

Eldest then said the worst thing I ever did, after much nagging and chinese water torture from him was say "go ahead then do what ever you want" he said after that he didn't want to do it, because he knew how angry I was to have resorted to giving in, result he didn't push the issue further and didnt do as he wanted.