Roadworks at the Ecclesall Road / Summerfield St junction

[Shazbat 10]

Not sure what you mean about "burning across" please expand.

 

The point is that there isn't a "serious" amount of traffic turning right at the traffic lights anyway. Pear St and Napier st are narrow and heavily parked during the day, so I can't see anyone "racing" through there.

 

We have the "before" traffic figures and we will do an after study to see what happens after we go live with the junction improvements. Then an informed decision can be taken on what (if anything) needs to be done with Pear St / Napier St.

 

If you could leave Pear Street/Pomona Street/Napier Street alone till my office has moved into town and I no longer use my car, i.e., next summer, that'd be good

[Planner1 430]

If you could leave Pear Street/Pomona Street/Napier Street alone till my office has moved into town and I no longer use my car, i.e., next summer, that'd be good

 

There's a permit parking scheme going in in that area, probably in spring 2007 which will mean there is no free all day parking in the area. Parking bays arround the Summerfield St / Pear St / Napirer St area are proposed to be 4 hours max stay, pay & display.

[Litotes 63]

Has it been ratified Planner1, or is it still just proposed?

 

<grin>

[Planner1 430]

Has it been ratified Planner1, or is it still just proposed?

 

<grin>

 

As always, a decision for the Councillors. We're aiming to report the objections / comments to the Area Planning and Highways Board in October.

[Litotes 63]

So still just proposed...

[nuf_said 10]

So why not just put a right filter in? There's plenty of space for a right turn lane there. It's just forcing everyone round the back streets behind the Pomona. Been down that way this morning, parked cars on both sides, and a right bottleneck of traffic trying to get through.

 

Exactly - they can't do simple common sense adjustments. They have to go overboard to justify doing lots of work and justify sitting out there at Carbrook. To make it even more dangerous they had put up a sign saying 'beware of oncoming traffic' - but the sign actually masked the approaching traffic and made it dangerous. Idiots.

 

The other day the traffic lights at this junction were on green for both directions at the same time - at least for part of the day. Idiots.

 

The traffic going round the back streets, caused by their daft road design, will now give them an excuse for traffic 'calming' / reduction measures in these streets and that's more reasons for them to justify their existence. Idiots.

 

Nuf said.

[Meaks 11]

Idiots.

 

Concise, but to the point.

[Planner1 430]

 

The other day the traffic lights at this junction were on green for both directions at the same time - at least for part of the day. Idiots.

 

 

Nuf said.

 

I can assure you that this doesn't happen in the normal course of events. There are safeguards built into traffic signal controllers that do not allow green signals to be shown on conflicting approaches. The safeguards ensure that all the signals are switched off instantly if green signals are detected on conflicting approaches.

 

In this instance there had been a cable fault and an electrician was on site recabling, he connected one of the signal heads to the wrong cable, so the green light was coming on at the wrong time. The signal controller would not have detected this as a fault. However, there are several signal heads relating to each approach, so the display would certainly have looked abnormal. This condition only existed for a minute or two before it was detected and corrected.

[Planner1 430]

Exactly - they can't do simple common sense adjustments. They have to go overboard to justify doing lots of work and justify sitting out there at Carbrook. To make it even more dangerous they had put up a sign saying 'beware of oncoming traffic' - but the sign actually masked the approaching traffic and made it dangerous. Idiots.

 

Nuf said.

 

Does anyone seriously think that if there was an easy, simple way of addressing the problems at a particular site, we wouldn't use it? The solution actually applied is quite simple actually. Lots of right turning accidents are occurring. Simplest way of stopping them is not to allow the right turn. we know that banning turns isn't popular and we explored every way available to keep the right turn open. None was feasible. The only effective way to deal with the problem at this site is to ban the turn.

 

The sign was put up when it became aparrent that there was a right tuning accident problem, it was not a large sign and had to be in a right turning drivers sight line.

[nuf_said 10]

Does anyone seriously think that if there was an easy, simple way of addressing the problems at a particular site, we wouldn't use it?

Yes, lots of us believe that. Perhaps you could have just moved the obscuring white railings a little bit - too simple......

 

 

 

 

The sign was put up when it became aparrent that there was a right tuning accident problem, it was not a large sign and had to be in a right turning drivers sight line.

Yes, placed on the already obscuring white railings and even further blocking the view of oncoming traffic.

 

The main error here was right turning out of Summerfield St towards town. Not a correct radius, and cars in the right lane taking the middle lane of Eccy Road (bus lane is inner lane).

[Cath 10]

Does anyone seriously think that if there was an easy, simple way of addressing the problems at a particular site, we wouldn't use it? The solution actually applied is quite simple actually. Lots of right turning accidents are occurring. Simplest way of stopping them is not to allow the right turn. we know that banning turns isn't popular and we explored every way available to keep the right turn open. None was feasible. The only effective way to deal with the problem at this site is to ban the turn.

Just curious but was any analysis done on why there might've been a higher proportion of accidents at this right turn than at others in the city? Did anyone actually drive the road, make the right hand turn, observe and report?

[Planner1 430]

Yes, lots of us believe that. Perhaps you could have just moved the obscuring white railings a little bit - too simple......

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, placed on the already obscuring white railings and even further blocking the view of oncoming traffic.

 

The main error here was right turning out of Summerfield St towards town. Not a correct radius, and cars in the right lane taking the middle lane of Eccy Road (bus lane is inner lane).

 

The cause of the accidents was in our view poor decision making by right turning vehicles. Visibility of the outside lne in the opposite direction wasn't perfect but wasn't that bad. Experience around the country is that this kind of accicent can occur at junctions on a dual carriageway where the right turning traffic isn't controlled. The solution is to control the right turn or eliminate it. We looked at controlling the right turn in intricate detail but it wasn't feasible. A great deal of effort was put into coming up with the right scheme which would address the problem.