Assisted dying

[Dudley3]

13 hours ago, AndrewC said:

 

It is such a huge jump from what is an incredibly limited and restrictive proposed system under this bill to the pretty extreme scenario that you're suggesting there, that it's not really fair or logical to really connect the two. If the year is 2080 and Govt passes a law to euthanise everyone over the age of 50 for the good of society, I hardly think it would be fair to look back and say, "I blame that bill passed in 2024".

 

The proposed* system would only apply to people who have been diagnosed as terminally ill, with less than 6 months to live, who are still of sound mind, and would have to make a case that they are suffering beyond a reasonable amount, and that case would have to be agreed to by two independent doctors, before then going before a judge who would make a final decision.

 

 

*worth remembering there are still months of debates and other legislative votes to be had on this yet before it's law.

 

 

 

 

I thought the whole idea was that they would not suffer beyond a reasonable amount and what is a reasonable amount of suffering?

[Dudley3]

1 hour ago, XboxMan2024 said:

And the referendum would've gone totally wrong, Brexit anyone?

 

 

In my life time there has been 3 referendums, one to stay or leave the common market, we stayed, two, to change the electoral system from first passed the post, it stayed the same, and three to leave the EU, we left. If you say they all went wrong then we would not have had the third referendum and Labour might not have been in power now.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Dudley3 said:

In my life time there has been 3 referendums, one to stay or leave the common market, we stayed, two, to change the electoral system from first passed the post, it stayed the same, and three to leave the EU, we left. If you say they all went wrong then we would not have had the third referendum and Labour might not have been in power now.

Labour would've still won actually, because nobody wanted the Tories to stay in other than the far right.

 

 

[High Chaparral]

10 hours ago, BigPP said:

 

I have some issues with this legislation. I see a banner outside parliament which says 'Its cradle to grave. Not 'til old, inconvenient, or expensive.' How can we prevent coercion or people feeling obliged to die before their time because they're a burden, or the family inheritance is disappearing in care home charges?

 

As for homosexuality and abortion, do you really want to go back to the days of chemical castration (Alan Turing) or back street abortions? Have you ever seen '10 Rillington Place?'

It wouldn't be bad to go back to 1967 when homosexuality was decriminalised  for over 21 year olds  and abortion legalised under certain circumstances.  Changes since 1967 to the legislation have happened,   Changes to Assisted Death legislation will happen in future  which is the issue. 

[echo beach]

In Canada assisted dying was legalised in 2016 for those whose death was reasonably foreseeable. In 2021 it was extended to those who were suffering but whose death was not reasonably foreseeable and in 2027 they plan to extend it to people suffering from mental illness. Canada is a first world civilised country.

Are we now on the same downward slope?

 

echo.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, echo beach said:

In Canada assisted dying was legalised in 2016 for those whose death was reasonably foreseeable. In 2021 it was extended to those who were suffering but whose death was not reasonably foreseeable and in 2027 they plan to extend it to people suffering from mental illness. Canada is a first world civilised country.

Are we now on the same downward slope?

 

echo.

Probably, given that the British governments have been so far up America's bum it's not funny for most of the last nearly 80 years.

 

[Dudley3]

29 minutes ago, XboxMan2024 said:

Labour would've still won actually, because nobody wanted the Tories to stay in other than the far right.

 

 

Possibly, though you're right about no one wanting the tories. I'm not sure who the far right are though.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dudley3 said:

Possibly, though you're right about no one wanting the tories. I'm not sure who the far right are though.

Fresh from Google

[Dudley3]

10 minutes ago, echo beach said:

In Canada assisted dying was legalised in 2016 for those whose death was reasonably foreseeable. In 2021 it was extended to those who were suffering but whose death was not reasonably foreseeable and in 2027 they plan to extend it to people suffering from mental illness. Canada is a first world civilised country.

Are we now on the same downward slope?

 

echo.

Civilised, now there's a word to conjure with😀

[Dudley3]

Just now, XboxMan2024 said:

Fresh from Google

I don't use Google so presumably I'm not far right, which is my opinion of myself, but others may hold differing ones