Assisted dying

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, AndrewC said:

 

It is such a huge jump from what is an incredibly limited and restrictive proposed system under this bill to the pretty extreme scenario that you're suggesting there, that it's not really fair or logical to really connect the two. If the year is 2080 and Govt passes a law to euthanise everyone over the age of 50 for the good of society, I hardly think it would be fair to look back and say, "I blame that bill passed in 2024".

 

The proposed* system would only apply to people who have been diagnosed as terminally ill, with less than 6 months to live, who are still of sound mind, and would have to make a case that they are suffering beyond a reasonable amount, and that case would have to be agreed to by two independent doctors, before then going before a judge who would make a final decision.

 

 

*worth remembering there are still months of debates and other legislative votes to be had on this yet before it's law.

 

 

 

 

By 2080 I'll be LONG gone (I hope) anyway  

 

 

[melthebell]

8 minutes ago, echo beach said:

Not in favour. I think like a lot of other folks that it needs deeper consideration than just a short debate in parliament.

 

echo.

Jurys take less time to judge whether somebody should spend the rest of their life in prison 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Jurys take less time to judge whether somebody should spend the rest of their life in prison 

And they don't always get it right.

 

 

[echo beach]

1 minute ago, melthebell said:

Jurys take less time to judge whether somebody should spend the rest of their life in prison 

Sometimes and other times they take much longer. Furthermore how many prisoners given life terms actually spend the rest of their lives behind bars?

 

One argument is that we put dogs and other animals to sleep when they are suffering but we are not dogs, we are humans. Harold Shipman probably thought that it would be better for the old folk he killed if they were peacefully put out of their suffering. I’m sure other medics have unofficially given patients a strong dose of morphine which has let them quietly pass away.

I simply feel there’s a sanctity in human life and it is precious right up to the end.

 

echo.

[melthebell]

7 minutes ago, XboxMan2024 said:

And they don't always get it right.

 

 

Indeed

[gaz 786]

10 minutes ago, echo beach said:

Sometimes and other times they take much longer. Furthermore how many prisoners given life terms actually spend the rest of their lives behind bars?

 

One argument is that we put dogs and other animals to sleep when they are suffering but we are not dogs, we are humans. Harold Shipman probably thought that it would be better for the old folk he killed if they were peacefully put out of their suffering. I’m sure other medics have unofficially given patients a strong dose of morphine which has let them quietly pass away.

I simply feel there’s a sanctity in human life and it is precious right up to the end.

 

echo.

One of Harrold shipmans patients only went to see him with toothache deaths a bit drastic I reckon as a cure .

[Prettytom]

I’ve enjoyed watching the debate unfold. It was good to see our elected representatives actually considering the best option and taking their vote seriously. A huge step up from the usual whipped debates. Our democracy needs more of this.

 

As for assisted dying, I’m not really sure what to think. Instinctively, I’m in favour, but I’ve just spent my summer caring for a young man who finally succumbed to his illness a few weeks ago.

 

That has really given me pause for thought. The lad in question was begging to die for weeks before he actually did. But, we also had some great times in those last few weeks, which wouldn’t have happened if he’d been allowed to kill himself. Every second seemed to be precious. I also realised that I would have been unable to help him to die. That really would have been a step too far for me.

 

Its a really tough decision. I am pleased that our politicians gave it proper consideration. I hope that they’ve made the correct choice.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, gaz 786 said:

One of Harrold shipmans patients only went to see him with toothache deaths a bit drastic I reckon as a cure .

Shipman wasn't a Dentist.

 

 

[gaz 786]

5 minutes ago, XboxMan2024 said:

Shipman wasn't a Dentist.

 

 

I know that Doctors treat Teeth in emergencies .

Edited November 29, 2024 by gaz 786

[El Cid]

I recall when a friends mum was terminally ill in hospital. They stopped feeding her because she was near the end.

He refused to accept this and went out and bought some liquid food himself. Managing death is not easy. Modern medicine can prolong people's lives.

Even keeping them hydrated via their veins and tube fed, when near the end of life people naturally reduce their food and water intake.