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How Many Of You Are Willing To Own This Situation?


What degree of culpability should I take?  

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  1. 1. What degree of culpability should I take?

    • A high degree of culpability.
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    • A very high degree of culpability.


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10 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

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This is true. Many MANY white people helped cover up the acts of these rapists (and still do) in the name of diversity and not wanting to be labelled racist.

They are just as culpable in my view.

If there hadn't been white racists demonising people with brown skin (as a population, not just as individuals), the white people you complain about wouldn't have been afraid that calling out those who commit crimes would result in people associating them with racists.

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4 minutes ago, altus said:

If there hadn't been white racists demonising people with brown skin (as a population, not just as individuals), the white people you complain about wouldn't have been afraid that calling out those who commit crimes would result in people associating them with racists.

You know that for a fact do you?

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4 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

You know that for a fact do you?

Why would people be afraid of being labelled as racist if they were doing something that racists hadn't done?

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13 minutes ago, altus said:

Why would people be afraid of being labelled as racist if they were doing something that racists hadn't done?

Some people for whatever reason are afraid of being labelled racist even if they are not. People lose jobs, reputations etc at the mere hint of being labelled a racist. The r word is thrown around these very boards by a small number of posters who seem to use it to end/stiffle debate. In fact I've been called it myself on here. No evidence of any kind (despite my asking) yet I've been called racist and it's been inferred more than once too simply for objecting to uncontrolled immigration. 

With the grooming gangs I believe various reports were written and one of the excuses for allowing it to happen/continue was they didn't want to appear racist or stir up racial tensions.

 

I'm happy to be proved wrong on that last paragraph though 👍

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1 hour ago, Mister M said:

I don't think the horrific crimes which the OP referred to and Brexit are remotely analogous.

 

Clearly the OP doesn't like people from other cultures, and seeks to make political capital out of the intimidation that Mike Freer MP has experienced, and some horrible attacks. AFAIK in law, the only people who can be held responsible for these attacks are the people who committed them. Trying to blame 'virtue signalers' (silly term, but that's the OP for you) for every crime which has been committed by someone with heritage from a different country, is just stupid beyond belief.

I wouldn't start a thread asking if people with right wing opinions feel responsible for the actions of extremists & criminals from their side of the political spectrum. 

I totally agree and resist the OP's wish to stir up another bucket full of hatred.

No culpability whatsoever here   -   I behave myself and believe that everyone else should do the same,  whilst the law should deal with those who don't.

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3 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Seen some pathetic threads in here of later but this one is right up there 

Do you want me to start a few of my high quality conversational masterpieces that I've become renowned for? 🤔

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1 hour ago, The_DADDY said:

 

This is true. Many MANY white people helped cover up the acts of these rapists (and still do) in the name of diversity and not wanting to be labelled racist.

They are just as culpable in my view.

I guess you guys have already discussed Eleanor Williams, I tend to ignore discussions about racism, but I watched the TV program last night.

It would have been so easy to whip up those on Facebook.

 

Williams, then 22, was jailed for eight-a-half-years in March last year after lying about being trafficked and sexually abused by a vicious Asian grooming gang. The young woman shared pictures of her injuries and disturbing lies on Facebook back in May 2020, in a post that was shared more than 100,000 times.

 

Her allegations, between 2016 and 2020, led to attacks on members of the Asian community and caused three people to try and take their own lives. In January 2023, Williams was found guilty at Preston Crown Court on eight counts of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice. She pleaded guilty to one count.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbcs-liar-fake-grooming-scandals-32011666

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10 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

Do you want me to start a few of my high quality conversational masterpieces that I've become renowned for? 🤔

Perhaps a new thread,  'Daddy's all-time pathetic thread.'

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6 minutes ago, El Cid said:

I guess you guys have already discussed Eleanor Williams, I tend to ignore discussions about racism, but I watched the TV program last night.

It would have been so easy to whip up those on Facebook.

 

Williams, then 22, was jailed for eight-a-half-years in March last year after lying about being trafficked and sexually abused by a vicious Asian grooming gang. The young woman shared pictures of her injuries and disturbing lies on Facebook back in May 2020, in a post that was shared more than 100,000 times.

 

Her allegations, between 2016 and 2020, led to attacks on members of the Asian community and caused three people to try and take their own lives. In January 2023, Williams was found guilty at Preston Crown Court on eight counts of doing acts tending and intended to pervert the course of justice. She pleaded guilty to one count.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bbcs-liar-fake-grooming-scandals-32011666

Yup, I'm aware of the case. She deserves her time in prison. Personally I'd have given her a few more years.

However the fact that mainly Pakistani Muslim men were/are committing these horrific crimes in such numbers made it easier for her accusations to be believed. 

Ironic when you consider how many genuine victims have been ignored, pushed aside, labeled racist, had their lives ruined etc etc. 

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