Rip Denny Laine

[janie48]

Though I've never voted for the Tory Party I  quite like David Cameron. 

 

Although having said that, most politicians  of any party remind me of some of the back- stabbing  characters portrayed in a Shakespeare play.

 

 

[Mister Gee]

Baron Cameron of Hogshead would have been more appropriate.

[horribleblob]

26 minutes ago, Axe said:

The electorate never vote for a prime minister.  The electorate do vote for members of political parties.  The political party that wins the largest amount of seats in a general election normally forms the government and can decide who they wish to be their leader during their time in government. 

Yes, we know.

On 20/09/2023 at 09:16, Axe said:

There is no doubt the Tory party won a big majority at the 2019 general election because millions of the electorate wanted Boris Johnson to remain as prime minister.  ...

[Anna B]

The House of Lords with nearly 800 members  is actually bigger than the house of commons and is still manned by an army of Aristocrats and Clergymen whose only qualification seems to be inherited wealth, fancy titles, and owning their own coronet and ermine cape.

 

Yes, there are also some appointed members who have particular skills and expertise which is useful,  but far too many 'job for life' peers enjoy 'jobs for the boys' status and have no discernible talent other than the ability to scratch backs and make up the numbers for voting purposes  (without the bother of attending the debates.)

And the number grows every year as every PM appoints yet more.   

 

 Certainly we need a second house, But do we really need this anachronistic bunch of freeloaders in the 21st Century? What about getting a few ordinary citizens in there to voice their point of view. A few front line nurses, teachers and policemen, and a sprinkling of other front line workers  wouldn't go amiss. 

Their opinions might come as a real revelation.

Edited November 21 by Anna B

[Longcol]

2 hours ago, Axe said:

Don't be silly.  It proves our political system works well.  It gives our prime minister the option of bringing experienced  talent into the cabinet very quickly by using the House of Lords to make the new Foreign Secretary accountable to be questioned by his own peers.  We should all be proud how our political system operates.  We are the envy of the civilised World. 

The "civilised world" being the Home Counties I take it.

[hackey lad]

1 hour ago, Mister Gee said:

Baron Cameron of Hogshead would have been more appropriate.

Why ?

[Jack Grey]

6 hours ago, Anna B said:

What a joke. Everything that's wrong with our political system summed up in a few minutes. It's still wedded to the 18th century. It badly needs reform, everyone says so, and has done for years, but nothing changes...

Yeah people always say that when they're not in power but then never change anything when they get into power 

 

And they will never get rid of the house of lords because it's every politicians dream retirement plan

 

Getting paid cash and expenses to do **** all 

 

Even the most socialist wouldn't turn that down 

 

I'm surprised Corbyn isn't in there 

Edited November 21 by Jack Grey

[whiteowl]

Wasn't there a big hoo-ha about unelected officials a few years ago and how we'd be so much better without them? 

 

[crookesey]

Labour would never consider asking Lord Blair for a bit of cabinet help would they? Both parties are as bent a nine bob note, that’s why I don’t vote. However I don’t think that they’ve done a deal wrong.

[Anna B]

10 hours ago, Jack Grey said:

Yeah people always say that when they're not in power but then never change anything when they get into power 

 

And they will never get rid of the house of lords because it's every politicians dream retirement plan

 

Getting paid cash and expenses to do **** all 

 

Even the most socialist wouldn't turn that down 

 

I'm surprised Corbyn isn't in there 

I'm not.

When Starmer has expelled all the Socialists in the Labour party, who is going to promote him?

Socialists are not wanted in the Lords (the clue's in the title.) They might come out with a few unpalletable home truths and rock the boat.