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On 20/09/2023 at 18:19, GoldenAleLad said:

the Barrel Inn still sadly closed - is this a permanent thing as the outside of it looks a bit rough now ?

 

An planning application has just gone in for the Barrel Inn this week but it is for a change of use so may not remain as a traditional-ish pub that it has been before. 'Cocktail bar and takeaway restaurant' are the words used.

 

23/03253/FUL | Change of use of ground floor from drinking establishment to cocktail bar and takeaway restaurant (Sui Generis) | The Barrel Inn 123 London Road Sheffield S2 4LE

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On 21/10/2023 at 09:49, Baron99 said:

The London Rd area sadly might have seen a decline in pubs in recent years but Abbeydale Rd is thriving. 

 

Jabberwocky (technically London Rd) 

The Bear

Rumkeg876

Dead Donkey 

Turner's Beer Shop / Tap Room

Over The Yardarm 

Glass Frog

Abbeydale Tap

Barrowboy

Two Thirds 

The Teller

Gin Place 

The Broadfield

I see these establishments as bars rather than pubs. 

 

Abbeydale Road - from the Royal Hotel to the Broadfield was some distance without a pub.

 

Chesterfield Road - from the Red Lion/ White Lion/ Crown all the way to the Chantrey / the Woodseats was another lengthy walk.

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1 hour ago, abbeyedges said:

I see these establishments as bars rather than pubs. 

 

Abbeydale Road - from the Royal Hotel to the Broadfield was some distance without a pub.

 

Chesterfield Road - from the Red Lion/ White Lion/ Crown all the way to the Chantrey / the Woodseats was another lengthy walk.

I agree , bars not pubs :thumbsup:

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Not necessarily  a bad thing (given that pubs are nowadays often ruined/dominated by Gob****es lacking any functional volume control) but I'd expect that any surviving licensed estalishments will be swiftly closed down due to our future rulers' attiude to alcohol. Ignoring of course that many of their "young chaps" clearly enjoy the odd (given the amount of discarded bottles/canisters) bottle of vodka to accompany their (now illegal) nitrous oxide.

Each to their own I suppose - but please don't leave your abandoned bottles/canisters as litter.

 

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I think there has been a general decline in pubs in the UK starting in the late 1970's / early 1980's.   In my opinion greedy Breweries were to blame,  driving out good Landlords who only ever wanted to make a decent living and look after their customers.

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14 hours ago, hackey lad said:

I agree , bars not pubs :thumbsup:

Interesting .. what is the difference between a bar and a pub ....

 

Well one thing in common, they all sell alcohol !

 

In my mind, traditional pubs have wider choice of ales, pork scratchings and scampi and bacon, people flogging things, juke boxes, the gents doesn't have to be clean or have mirrors, dogs and children are allowed ...

 

Bars do cocktails, are very expensive, full of arty hipster people,¬†¬†and may do expensive food snacks too. They normally ban the aforementioned list of things that pubs allow.... ūüôā

 

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11 hours ago, Tipstaff said:

I think there has been a general decline in pubs in the UK starting in the late 1970's / early 1980's.   In my opinion greedy Breweries were to blame,  driving out good Landlords who only ever wanted to make a decent living and look after their customers.

It wasn't really the breweries, as many seem to think. It's the Pubco's such as Enterprise, Punch Taverns,etc who have owned most pubs for the past 20 odd years who have done the most damage. They are basically estate agents with the remit of screwing as much cash as possible from their tennants and customers and tend to make life difficult and expensive for their tennants soon after they've taken over a pub. ie they raise rents and beer prices at will, dictate what food can be served etc. The breweries these days simply make booze and sell it to whoever wants to buy it, ie supermarkets and pubco's.

    We genuine beer lovers who long for a pint of old style Tetley's, Wards or Stones etc now have to settle for some overpriced Smoothflow or Lager, served just above freezing point in some chart music infested hell-hole. I also think that many people who run pubs these days are very much like many dog owners in that they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near one!

Sorry for the extended moan..... I'm just off for a walk to calm down and will call at the Nag's Head in Loxley to quaff a few pints of Bradfields quality ales.

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On 03/11/2023 at 13:16, AndrewC said:

 

An planning application has just gone in for the Barrel Inn this week but it is for a change of use so may not remain as a traditional-ish pub that it has been before. 'Cocktail bar and takeaway restaurant' are the words used.

 

23/03253/FUL | Change of use of ground floor from drinking establishment to cocktail bar and takeaway restaurant (Sui Generis) | The Barrel Inn 123 London Road Sheffield S2 4LE

The lights were on in the old Barrel pub yesterday afternoon with people inside presumably working on the refurb? 

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On 03/11/2023 at 19:03, abbeyedges said:

I see these establishments as bars rather than pubs. 

 

Abbeydale Road - from the Royal Hotel to the Broadfield was some distance without a pub.

 

Chesterfield Road - from the Red Lion/ White Lion/ Crown all the way to the Chantrey / the Woodseats was another lengthy walk.

It's still a hike between The Broadfield to The Millhouses.  

 

There a large empty retail unit on Abbeydale Rd, opposite the bottom of Woodseats Rd, that could be potentially be a decent size for a new pub / bar?

 

With the size of it, the lack of other bars, good transport links, it could be made into a Wetherspoons or similar? 

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On 04/11/2023 at 11:49, Magneteer said:

It wasn't really the breweries, as many seem to think. It's the Pubco's such as Enterprise, Punch Taverns,etc who have owned most pubs for the past 20 odd years who have done the most damage. They are basically estate agents with the remit of screwing as much cash as possible from their tennants and customers and tend to make life difficult and expensive for their tennants soon after they've taken over a pub. ie they raise rents and beer prices at will, dictate what food can be served etc. The breweries these days simply make booze and sell it to whoever wants to buy it, ie supermarkets and pubco's.

    We genuine beer lovers who long for a pint of old style Tetley's, Wards or Stones etc now have to settle for some overpriced Smoothflow or Lager, served just above freezing point in some chart music infested hell-hole. I also think that many people who run pubs these days are very much like many dog owners in that they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near one!

Sorry for the extended moan..... I'm just off for a walk to calm down and will call at the Nag's Head in Loxley to quaff a few pints of Bradfields quality ales.

I'm perhaps going back a little further in time then,  when it WAS the breweries who owned freeholds and leases on pubs.  I can remember in the late 1970's John and Mary Williamson who were at the Royal Standard  (WARDS) on St Mary's Rd.  John told me about his tenancy and believe me, he knew the writing was on the wall back then.  

 

Nags Head - QUALITY! 

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There's no wonder the pubs on London Rd are failing.

We moved out of Sheff¬†(Highfields) in 89 and stopped drinking altogether in 2005¬†ūüėÄ.

 

Keep safe and drink responsibly¬†ūüßź.¬†

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Posted (edited)

The area has changed over the years and become much more diverse and the fact you can eat your way around the world on London Road is a big selling point I think!

 

As for pubs and bars, well, it depends what you are looking for really. If you want to do a run down London Road and Abbeydale Road there are plenty to go at, although many are now more of the sit down and have conversation over a nice drink rather than standing up with a pint of lager or session bitter engaging in raucous banter.

 

The run includes:

Beer Engine

Clubhouse

Albion

Barrys

(Barrel being converted into a cocktail bar / fast food joint)

(Crown looking for a new tenant, again)

Cremorne

Jabbarwocky

Bear

Dead Donkey

Turners

Glass Frog

Abbeydale Tap & Snap

Over the Yardarm

Picture House Social

Barrow Boy

Two Thirds Beer Co

Teller

Gin Bar

Broadfield

 

It's also walkable across to the Heeley area for the likes of the Hardy Pick, Tramshed, Crown, Red Lion, White Lion, Brothers Arms, Sheaf View and Hagglers Corner. Plus not far off London Road as someone mentioned the Golden Lion is still going. Then of course there is also Ecclesall Road....

 

What does seem a shame is the two pubs on Bramall Lane (Railway and Cricketers) that only open on matchdays, at least they still exist though...

 

 

 

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