No Way To Run A Football Club

[NicolaJayne]

40 minutes ago, ab6262 said:

trouble is the youth of today dont want manual work, we have tried many 16-18 yr olds start ting them labouring and will teach them as they go learning on the job, half of them dont come back after the first day saying its too hard work, too cold, too wet etc etc even had mums ringing in sick for them, the other half spend half the day trying to get on their phone so we take phone off them and the get all arsey , no good to us , god help people in 10 or 20 years trades if any left will be on 5k a week as there will be so few of them.

 

based on what you have written what i'm hearing here is that you are  abusive  towards  junior staff , enjoy playing 'billy big spuds'  and   think that   apprentices   are  there to  do  the stuff you  don't want to do  rather than to learn ...  and then you  wonder  why  people don't  put  up  with your bad behaviours

4 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

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How has it changed the whole vocational training sector ?     We don't seem to see any changes at all.

you  do realise that  employers who pay the apptrenticeship levy  can get it  back if they   take on apprentices  and deliver  proper, accredited training  to them ? 

employers too small to pay tthe Apprenticeship levy  can  access   govertnment funcing to cover 95 %  of training costs ?  

[Organgrinder]

8 minutes ago, NicolaJayne said:

you  do realise that  employers who pay the apptrenticeship levy  can get it  back if they   take on apprentices  and deliver  proper, accredited training  to them ? 
employers too small to pay tthe Apprenticeship levy  can  access   govertnment funcing to cover 95 %  of training costs ?  

That may well be so but,   that doesn't explain why we still have these shortages of skilled workers,   and we still have the need to recruit abroad.

If the system was working as it should,  we would not have these shortages so something is not working.

 

[Organgrinder]

1 minute ago, cuttsie said:

See First day at work and end up with a horse , I started as a apprentice bricklayer , the first day I ended up with Bonny .

Lucky you Cuttsie,   I would have loved that

[cuttsie]

1 minute ago, Organgrinder said:

Lucky you Cuttsie,   I would have loved that

Until the cement lorry turned up,    then a eight stone kid suddenly had 114lb bags of cement chucked on his back during unloading , carried them to a cabin at double qwick pace . You soon learned that the building trade is not for softy  kids on mobile phones . 

In the end you ended up being able to do the job because you actually had to graft from day one .

[bassett one]

but we are also having to import workers for hotel and shop work and farm work,why can we not train our own. the country we intend to send boat folk to has a shortage of nurses as we have taken all theres,so why have we not trained our unemployed ? in fact why have we so many unemployed? and employers are saying we need even more people from abroad to fill job vacancies ,it seems odd to me why we pay people to stop at home and import workers,some will say wages but if folk can come from abroad work and be happy why can our workers not.

[Organgrinder]

1 minute ago, bassett one said:

but we are also having to import workers for hotel and shop work and farm work,why can we not train our own. the country we intend to send boat folk to has a shortage of nurses as we have taken all theres,so why have we not trained our unemployed ? in fact why have we so many unemployed? and employers are saying we need even more people from abroad to fill job vacancies ,it seems odd to me why we pay people to stop at home and import workers,some will say wages but if folk can come from abroad work and be happy why can our workers not.

That's true enough and I'm in full agreement with that.

The excuse will all be about what we can afford but we have been running on cheap labour for many years and both governments and employers have been happy with that.

One of the promises of Brexit was that this would stop but it would seem that government and employers still don't want it to stop..

If other countries can manage,  then why can't we ?

 

[harvey19]

1 hour ago, cuttsie said:

Until the cement lorry turned up,    then a eight stone kid suddenly had 114lb bags of cement chucked on his back during unloading , carried them to a cabin at double qwick pace . You soon learned that the building trade is not for softy  kids on mobile phones . 

In the end you ended up being able to do the job because you actually had to graft from day one .

When the bricks arrived on the back of a lorry they were thrown down 2 at a time which you had to catch and stack before the next 2 arrived. Plenty of trapped fingers.! No gloves either in those days.

[bassett one]

the good old days yeah, but at least we taught people jobs and apart from jamacian people who many had served in the war coming to be bus drivers ect,we used our own people who whatever there nationality from here not importing workers.

[cuttsie]

18 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

When the bricks arrived on the back of a lorry they were thrown down 2 at a time which you had to catch and stack before the next 2 arrived. Plenty of trapped fingers.! No gloves either in those days.

Bang on at 15 years old you had to work , now some are in the 20's before they even think of it , some never do .

[Jim Hardie]

2 hours ago, cuttsie said:

Until the cement lorry turned up,    then a eight stone kid suddenly had 114lb bags of cement chucked on his back during unloading , carried them to a cabin at double qwick pace . You soon learned that the building trade is not for softy  kids on mobile phones . 

In the end you ended up being able to do the job because you actually had to graft from day one .

A similar story from ‘Steve Black, worked in construction since I was 14’

 

When I started work as an apprentice in the mid 70’s, the first job on a Monday morning was for all the apprentices to unload the cement delivery. At least one truck load maybe two.

Each load was 20 tons of 112 lbs bags of cement which was the only size you could get then.

It was heavy work. Too heavy. You would join the queue and when it was your turn you would pull the bag forward so it dropped onto your shoulder and carry it into the stores and up to the first floor. That would be a hard morning work.

Then in the 80’s due to health and safety concerns the 25kg bags came in, hooray.

Although in the late nineties I bought a shipment of cement in the old 1cwt bags that had evidently came from India. My labourers hated them.

[NicolaJayne]

3 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

That may well be so but,   that doesn't explain why we still have these shortages of skilled workers,   and we still have the need to recruit abroad.

If the system was working as it should,  we would not have these shortages so something is not working.

 

the apprenticeship levy that was introduced  in  April 2017  and of course we've had all the fun of the  disruption related to Lockdowns since ...  

it's almost as though you   don't  understand even the most  elementary  stuff about workforce planning 

Edited July 20 by NicolaJayne
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[Organgrinder]

1 hour ago, NicolaJayne said:

the apprenticeship levy that was introduced  in  April 2017  and of course we've had all the fun of the  distrruption related ot Lockdowns since ...  

it;s alsmost as though you   don;t  understand even the most  elementary  stuff aobut workforce planning 

You think that the mere fact of introducing a levy, automatically fills the country with Brickies etc.

Sorry,  it doesn't   -   there's a shortage,  which is what we are carping about,   and the government is considering foreign labour,  which is also what we are carping about.

You enjoy the delights of the levy whilst the country struggles to find the men that you and your workforce planners can't find.

After a lifetime in supervisory positions and running my own business,  I  understand perfectly well whilst you mean  -  -  -  Yes, very elementary.

Tell us where the Brickies are coming from ???????

 

Edited July 20 by Organgrinder