The_DADDY Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, hackey lad said: Who is we ? NATO. America, us. The Soviet Union/Russia was lied to. NATO has moved so far east its practically knocking on the Kremlins door. It's provocative and wrong in my opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Just now, The_DADDY said: NATO. America, us. The Soviet Union/Russia was lied to. NATO has moved so far east its practically knocking on the Kremlins door. It's provocative and wrong in my opinion. Russian governments aren’t the most honest going . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_DADDY Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Just now, hackey lad said: Russian governments aren’t the most honest going . No, they aren't. Is any government honest though? Ours isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 21 minutes ago, Longcol said: No western country has invaded Russia or even threatened to since WW2. Noboody "forced" western style democracy on eastern europe. The West fomented the illegal overthrow of the duly elected pro Russian Ukraine Government, by promising them the goodies of the West including NATO Membership. They gave them the weapons and promises to back them up. How did THAT turn out for the Ukraine? 7 million have fled, half a million killed and maimed, the country in ruins. They did the same thing when they ousted the Shah of Iran to get their hands on the Oil. Now you have the Mad Mullah's Ditto with Afghanistan. Now Russia, "In God's name, this man can not remain in power!" - Biden Look up the definition of insanity. Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 1 minute ago, hackey lad said: Russian governments aren’t the most honest going . Putin is very honest in that he wants to restore Russia's borders to those of the 18th c Russian Empire under Peter the Great. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-history-lecture-reveals-his-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 11 minutes ago, Longcol said: Putin is very honest in that he wants to restore Russia's borders to those of the 18th c Russian Empire under Peter the Great. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-history-lecture-reveals-his-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire/ That's the Western think tanks "narrative" at the moment". He's NOT planning to invade Europe! Lol (We actually face more danger from climate change, say the powers that be!) They also tell you that he's shamed, and facing overthrow. But somebody pointed out that the infamous photo of Biden's G7 recent pow wow, that all those Western leaders had less approval ratings in their own countries than Putin has, and were facing election defeat! Lol Even if Putin's 90% figure was, shall we say exaggerated a little? Putin's is solid in his own country, solid with China, solid with N.Korea, and pals with the Middle East, African countries, India and China. Ask any of these "downtrodden" proletariat serfs on Russia's main streets: Then look around say, Sheffield! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcol Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Just now, trastrick said: That's the Western think tanks "narrative" at the moment". He's NOT planning to invade Europe! Lol (We actually face more danger from climate change, say the powers that be!) They also tell you that he's shamed, and facing overthrow. But somebody pointed out that the infamous photo of Biden's G7 recent pow wow, that all those Western leaders had less approval ratings in their own countries than Putin has, and were facing election defeat! Lol Even if Putin's 90% figure was, shall we say exaggerated a little? Putin's is solid in his own country, solid with China, solid with N.Korea, and pals with the Middle East, African countries, India and China. Ask any of these "downtrodden" proletariat serfs on Russia's main streets: Then look around say, Sheffield! Lol Very convincing Trevor - well, whatever turns you on. Now about Putin wanting to restore the Russian Empire to the extent of Peter the Great (1721 - 1725). https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-history-lecture-reveals-his-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire/ " In summer 2022, Putin directly compared the current war to the imperial conquests of eighteenth century Russian Czar Peter the Great and claimed to be “returning” historically Russian lands.!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geared Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Christ Putin's bootlickers have been out in force havn't they??? Bunch of pathetic muppets. If the West has been provocative, the West has 'backed Russia into a corner' Give your head a wobble, or better yet just sod off and live in your Russian paradise and give the rest of us a break for your crap. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 12 hours ago, Longcol said: Very convincing Trevor - well, whatever turns you on. Now about Putin wanting to restore the Russian Empire to the extent of Peter the Great (1721 - 1725). https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/putins-history-lecture-reveals-his-dreams-of-a-new-russian-empire/ " In summer 2022, Putin directly compared the current war to the imperial conquests of eighteenth century Russian Czar Peter the Great and claimed to be “returning” historically Russian lands.!" It is wise to take manifestos of one's adversaries seriously. From "Marx Das Kapital", through "Hitler's Mein Kampf" to Mao's "Great Leap Forward" to Bin Laden's "Declaration of Jihad", to Joseph Biden's, declaration to the Russian People, and to the World, "For God's Sake, this man (Putin) cannot remain in Power!", to Putin's "Essay", you can glean valuable insight, on the motivations of the authors and how they seek to implement their political goals. It is not enough to just dismiss them as propaganda, put your faith in some God, and hope he/she/they is with you. Especially when in the world at large you are a distinct minority among billions of people who do not share your God, or your New Rules Based Liberal World Order, or even share your politically constructed "human rights" or the "rights" of sovereign states. It is an opportunity to develop effective military and diplomatic strategies to contain, defeat, or diplomatically co-exist with your adversary. In this world, one thing is clear. Might makes Right!" This is as true today it was in the days of the Greeks and Romans, the Arabian, Mongol, and Colonial Empires, and more recently when JFK declared that Cuba (and presumably Canada, and Mexico) would not be allowed to join a military Pact dedicated to the overthrow of the U.S, regardless of their "sovereign rights as a free nation". You don't have to be a "Putin Puppet" to understand where we are at this moment in history, with the world once again hurtling towards World War, which at some point soon, will reach the point of no return. The good news? Democracy! With it's new elections, bringing new leaders, with new thinking, and new policies. It's also the only remain hope! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_DADDY Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 6 hours ago, geared said: Christ Putin's bootlickers have been out in force havn't they??? Bunch of pathetic muppets. If the West has been provocative, the West has 'backed Russia into a corner' Give your head a wobble, or better yet just sod off and live in your Russian paradise and give the rest of us a break for your crap. Oh dear 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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