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Demographics are still not out.

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2 hours ago, Jeffrey Shaw said:

Early returns from the Census 2021 were published last week.

See https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censuspopulationchange/

They show approx. totals as below, following London:

Birmingham 1.1m

Leeds 812 000

Sheffield 556 000

Manchester 552 000

Liverpool 486 000

 

 

I'd have thought Manchester would have had a much larger population

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11 minutes ago, Mister M said:

I'd have thought Manchester would have had a much larger population

Manchester is a bit confusing in that there's the city of Manchester and then Greater Manchester. There are ten metropolitan boroughs in Greater Manchester including Salford, which is a city in its own right.

 

Presumably the population quoted only applies to the City of Manchester itself.

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so why dont we get the singers ect that other citys get ?one would think they would want to go to a bigger audiance or is it we cannot accomidate them?

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50 minutes ago, bassett one said:

so why dont we get the singers ect that other citys get ?one would think they would want to go to a bigger audiance or is it we cannot accomidate them?

…or why don’t we have a top six Premier League club?

Answer: because we’re the biggest village in Europe.

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, m williamson said:

Manchester is a bit confusing in that there's the city of Manchester and then Greater Manchester. There are ten metropolitan boroughs in Greater Manchester including Salford, which is a city in its own right.

 

Presumably the population quoted only applies to the City of Manchester itself.

You are correct. Salford adds another 233,900.

Sheffield grew by 0.7% in the last 10 years.

Manchester: 9.7%

Leeds: 8.1%

Salford: 15.4%

 

England: 6.6%

Edited by cgksheff

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8 hours ago, Jim Hardie said:

…or why don’t we have a top six Premier League club?

Answer: because we’re the biggest village in Europe.

Yes we have always put up with second best, we could have been big on the nightclub scene, had our city fathers not looked at every disco as a drug den. As for the football they have never looked at it as being part of the city, they were just the same with Yorkshire Cricket, it’s a miracle in itself that they haven’t found an excuse to get rid of the snooker.

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13 hours ago, m williamson said:

Manchester is a bit confusing in that there's the city of Manchester and then Greater Manchester. There are ten metropolitan boroughs in Greater Manchester including Salford, which is a city in its own right.

 

Presumably the population quoted only applies to the City of Manchester itself.

A good explanation.  Like the Mister Man I thought Manchester had a larger population than Sheffield.

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Dubious about that Leeds figure.

Wiki has the city at 516,000 it's always been nip n tuck with Sheff.

The Leeds Metropolitan Borough  was at 790,000 or so last census 

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Posted (edited)

It's no good arguing that Manchester includes Salford (a view from which Salfordians would dissent!) And it's no good having "thought Manchester would have had a much larger population " nor being "Dubious about that Leeds figure. " .

All Census data is referable to the statutorily-defined local authority boundary areas, no matter where in E&W.

Edited by Jeffrey Shaw

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We've had this discussion on SF in various threads for many years. These numbers are just the local authority areas with that name. So 'London' is not defined in the same way and the historic boundaries of cities in many cases haven't kept pace with the development of those regions, so the population figures are not very useful. So it becomes less useful as a measure of the city's relative size and importance.

 

If you want to know the important cities of the UK see which locations the biggest American bands choose if they can only choose 4 (or any other global businesses). Often the cities are the centre of their region. 

 

Sheff is probably on the 4th rung with a load of other cities. It's certainly not 4th most important city in the UK (or even in England) in its own right. 

 

1. London

2. Glasgow, Manchester, Birmingham

3. e.g. Edinburgh, Cardiff, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Nottm

4. e.g. Sheff, Leicester, Belfast, Norwich

 

It doesn't help Sheffield when it gets described as 4th biggest city in England. It creates expectations from visitors which we can never fulfill. We're a great city on the 3rd or 4th rung. We're not 4th overall.

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