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Train Drivers Strike : 'Summer Of Discontent'

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25 minutes ago, Ethella said:

I've never understood why people punish the customer's that they rely on for their own employment.

It's the Union leaders to blame rather than the people actually working.  The Union leaders justify their actions by  calling it inconvenience rather than punishment.  

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I'm finding this thread quite amusing in an ironic kind of way.

 

This 'Summer of discontent' is nothing compared to the Winter of Discontent we are going to see when the cold weather's here and people start dying of hypothermia and food shortages. If I can see it coming so can the politicians, yet they are doing nothing to prevent it.

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Typical Chekov whinge

 

Typical Anna whinge about government.

 

You both need to find something different to moan about

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2 hours ago, sibon said:

Who would have thought that Checkov, the libertarian, would become a suppressionist so easily. 

The big freedom is the freedom to get a job somewhere else. That's what most of us have to do if we think our present job doesn't pay enough.

That said, I think the freedom to strike should, by and large, be protected, just not in a public service.

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1 hour ago, Delayed said:

Typical Chekov whinge

 

Typical Anna whinge about government.

 

You both need to find something different to moan about

Considering the state of the country, I think we have every right to whinge....

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1 minute ago, Anna B said:

Considering the state of the country, I think we have every right to whinge....

Absolutely but just not the right to turn every thread into the same boring whinge. 

 

Make a thread and stick to the subject.  This forum is turning into a one trick pony. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

The big freedom is the freedom to get a job somewhere else. That's what most of us have to do if we think our present job doesn't pay enough.

That said, I think the freedom to strike should, by and large, be protected, just not in a public service.

But you want to curtail the legal freedoms of the train drivers.

 

Given your outspoken and oft repeated opinions about lockdown, some might consider that to be a touch hypocritical. 

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4 hours ago, Chekhov said:

Anything which millions of people need to get to work (or play for that matter) and which, in addition, is heavily subsidised by the British tax payer, qualifies closely enough for that description. Certainly closely enough to mean strikes should be banned.

Maybe some joined-up thinking by successive governments, keeping strategic interests like transport, food sufficiency, energy production <etc>, exercised steadfastly in the national interest, would go a lot further for your and everybody else’s socio-economic well-being, than banning personal working rights extremely hard fought for and earned in blood by your forefathers.

 

Maybe some coordinated pressure and voting coordination by the electorate,  (you know, Union-like), could bring about that sort of joined-up thinking. Eventually.

 

In preference to the current, rudderless politainment designed to exercise you about your fellow working man and anyone else at risk of earning more than you, or inconveniencing you for a couple of days, or (…) whilst the carpetbaggers are quietly asset-stripping the country after buying its management.

 

Just a notion, perish the thought, etc.

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13 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

I think the freedom to strike should, by and large, be protected, just not in a public service.

Can you explain your logic?

Is that a publicly owned train company cannot strike, but a private train company can?

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2 hours ago, sibon said:

But you want to curtail the legal freedoms of the train drivers.

Given your outspoken and oft repeated opinions about lockdown, some might consider that to be a touch hypocritical. 

2 hours ago, El Cid said:

Can you explain your logic?

Is that a publicly owned train company cannot strike, but a private train company can?

It would be interesting to see how much they would end up getting paid if it were the market setting their wages, like it is for the great majority of people. It is possible they would still end up getting the same, if so good luck to them, for they would have done so fairly and without blackmailing the great British public.

 

5 hours ago, West 77 said:

It's the Union leaders to blame rather than the people actually working.  The Union leaders justify their actions by  calling it inconvenience rather than punishment.  

Not entirely W. The members vote for strike action. And, TBH, with the system set up as it is, and most people being as selfish as they are, it is hardly surprising many of them vote to strike.

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8 hours ago, carosio said:

When I was working for a retail store in 2013,  wage was £6.20/hr.

Inflation since 2013 is 22%, so that would be the equivalent of £7.56 an hour now. Hugely less than the current  minimum wage (which is £9.50 an hour), thus proving my point, and, coincidentally, more or less what I was on as an assistant branch manager at a tool hire shop in 1985 !

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21 hours ago, Chekhov said:

I have zero sympathy for the train drivers. Let's face it they are over paid anyway,

The skills sets and training required to become a train driver are extremely difficult. Their salary reflects that need. If it were easy then salaries would be much lower.

I assume you lack any form of skills/qualifications purely based on your idiotic postulation that they're overpaid, which is why you sit spouting nonsense on an internet forum. 

 

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also why just recently truck drivers (and to a lesser extent bus drivers) got big wage rises.

They were hardly big rises, especially buys drivers. 

 

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 should not be able to go on strike.

Ok Margaret...

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