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6 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

I have already answered this question, but, in fact, why I care about it is irrelevant.

It is a problem, as evidenced by the article I linked to (and basic logic), and I am struggling to understand why so many people on here want to deny it is.

Because it is at worst a minor annoyance, not the major issue you are trying to portray it to be. Even the article you linked to and are making such a big deal out of ends with:

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She isn’t irritated by veganism: “It means we’ve got way more options. In the 90s, you were lucky if the chef could do you an omelette,” she says. But the issue is that “the meat diet is still catered for 90%. That’s the annoying thing. Maybe that should be looked at.”

Food wise, vegetarians have far more to worry about than whether they can get some cheese.

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2 minutes ago, sibon said:

I'm an almost chickentarian myself. I eat very little red meat. Although I do like a bit of bacon every now and then. So, I guess that makes me a chickenandoccasionalbacontarian. 

 

I like a lot of vegan food too.

 

I can't understand why anyone would get upset about a restaurant menu. Just go next door if you don't like it. 

That's not always so easy in a small town, or of you have to book, or, worst of all, if you are on a  plane and the vegetarian option is vegan.

Basically it is caterers being lazy at the expense of vegetarians, even if some of the latter may not have  a problem with it.

It is illogical because you could follow the same logic and only provide Vegan food on the basis everyone could eat that. Apart from Fruitarians, but do they actually exist ?

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Just now, Chekhov said:

That's not always so easy in a small town, or of you have to book, or, worst of all, if you are on a  plane and the vegetarian option is vegan.

 

Bigger towns are available.

 

Looking at some of your posts, they might also be advisable.

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That quote is illogical :

 

She isn’t irritated by veganism: “It means we’ve got way more options. In the 90s, you were lucky if the chef could do you an omelette,” she says. But the issue is that “the meat diet is still catered for 90%. That’s the annoying thing. Maybe that should be looked at.”

 

Because about 85% of the population eat meat, so 90% would seem about right. It's certainly more proportionate than making all vegetarians eat vegan options, as they constitute only about 3% of the population and vegetarians about twice as many.

 

What's wrong with a nice cheese omlette and chips anyway, I'd eat it, and do so regularly.

3 minutes ago, sibon said:

Bigger towns are available.

 

Looking at some of your posts, they might also be advisable.

I do not understand your post, either line, the first is irrelevant, and the second just insulting, as far as I can tell.

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2 hours ago, altus said:

Post 2 in this thread:

Please don't call people who eat fish vegetarian (and don't let them refer to themselves as vegetarian either). It can cause problems for people who really are vegetarian.

 

I don’t think that I am sufficiently bothered to challenge someone who calls themselves whatever.

As a world population we are all omnivorous but some choose to stick to a particular diet and lifestyle for health,availability or according to their principles.

Can vegetarians wear leather shoes?

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16 hours ago, Chekhov said:

The "non problem" (which, apparently, I just made up) :

 

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/may/20/who-moved-my-cheese-the-silent-battle-between-vegetarians-and-vegans

The silent battle between vegetarians and vegans

 

The recent explosion in vegan food has not been without pushback. Mainly from bolshily indignant meat-eaters who take it as a personal affront. But could a far more peaceable group, vegetarians, also be finding all that vegan energy a bit, well, irritating?

Vegetarians are asking: who moved my cheese? They are seeing their halloumi burgers, sour cream-dressed burritos or blue cheese and mushroom wellingtons removed in favour of vegan meat-free dishes. There is low-level grumbling at this new dairy-free landscape, talk of being “screwed” by vegans and, as one Guardian colleague describes it, “a little silent war” developing between the rival groups.

“I don’t think vegans have ruined everything for vegetarians. It’s down to lazy restaurateurs, I guess – doing one option to cover both,” says Ruth, a 35-year-old professional from Manchester.

Thanks for posting the link, but that headline is pure clickbait.  The only evidence offered up in the article itself is a quick vox pop from Ruth (aged 35) of Manchester, who may or may not be a vegetarian - we're not told either way - plus a cafe owner in Brighton who says that some of his customers have grumbled about his soya yogurt not being very tasty.

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8 hours ago, RJRB said:

Can vegetarians wear leather shoes?

They can if they want to, though many would probably prefer not to.

 

It's true that it would be better if alternatives were easier to find.  Modern leather substitutes are just as breathable and if anything more durable than the real thing.  There was a shoemaker in Crookes (Springvale Road?) who used to do 'vegan' shoes (as well as ordinary ones).  I bought a few pairs - had them re-soled three times and the uppers were still more or less as good as new.  But I don't think they're there any more, though it's a while since I've been up that way.

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11 hours ago, Chekhov said:

That quote is illogical :

 

She isn’t irritated by veganism: “It means we’ve got way more options. In the 90s, you were lucky if the chef could do you an omelette,” she says. But the issue is that “the meat diet is still catered for 90%. That’s the annoying thing. Maybe that should be looked at.”

 

Because about 85% of the population eat meat, so 90% would seem about right. It's certainly more proportionate than making all vegetarians eat vegan options, as they constitute only about 3% of the population and vegetarians about twice as many.

 

What's wrong with a nice cheese omlette and chips anyway, I'd eat it, and do so regularly.

I do not understand your post, either line, the first is irrelevant, and the second just insulting, as far as I can tell.

Now we're getting there. Vegans are another group of people who cause you a minor inconvenience and who can therefore be condemned. Much like menopausal women (sack them) and old people more susceptible to Covid (let them die) from your other threads.

Edited by Bargepole23

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5 hours ago, CaptainSwing said:

Thanks for posting the link, but that headline is pure clickbait.  The only evidence offered up in the article itself is a quick vox pop from Ruth (aged 35) of Manchester, who may or may not be a vegetarian - we're not told either way - plus a cafe owner in Brighton who says that some of his customers have grumbled about his soya yogurt not being very tasty.

It isn't, as we were discussing this before the article came to light. In addition, as I have already mentioned, it was on R4, on Monday aft I seem to remember.

They had two people on, one from a Vegetarian organisation and one from a Vegan one, then got them to debate it. That was where I heard the Vegan woman saying she was quite happy for eateries to just serve Vegan options and thought it reasonable. Which is what really annoyed me as she was basically just being selfish.

The fact the representative of the Vegetarian society had actually turned Vegan "last year" made it a bit of a pointless exercise because, by definition, he was now happy to just eat Vegan food. Not much chance of a debate then, and there was none, just a "love in".

 

5 hours ago, Bargepole23 said:

Now we're getting there. Vegans are another group of people who cause you a minor inconvenience and who can therefore be condemned. Much like menopausal women (sack them) and old people more susceptible to Covid (let them die) from your other threads.

What an absolute load of cobblers you are talking, I have never said any of those things and if you had any honour you would apologise, but I won't hold my breath.

 

Just out of interest, why do Vegans cause me any inconvenience (I am not a vegetarian or even a pescatarian) ?

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Imagine  an Italian restaurant not serving chow mein, a cobbler refusing to sell me a suit, the local take-away refusing to give me table service!!!! 

How selfish of them.

I'm going to thkweem, thkweem, thkweem until I am thick.

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23 hours ago, Chekhov said:

if the whole world stopped eating fish that would be a hell of a waste of a massive amount of food, which would just get eaten by other fish higher up the food chain rather than us.

God forbid ecosystems and individual animals might just exist for their own sake eh? What a fascinating insight into how you see the world.

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Chekhov said:
if the whole world stopped eating fish that would be a hell of a waste of a massive amount of food, which would just get eaten by other fish higher up the food chain rather than us.

30 minutes ago, Norbert said:

God forbid ecosystems and individual animals might just exist for their own sake eh? What a fascinating insight into how you see the world.

What you say makes no sense.

We do not breed fish (the vast majority of them anyway), they are living naturally in the wild and many, or even most, will get eaten by something. 

So, you appear to be saying that we, the human race, should not eat that fish so other species can eat it instead, regardless of the fact that many poor people probably rely on catching and eating fish to keep themselves from starving.

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