Crookes Road Closures

[itboy 10]

What a ridiculous idea all of this. You can tell the council have money left to spend!
 

How do I drive my 4x4 SUV now to get to work in the town centre, when all the rat runs are closed?
 

How do Amazon delivery drivers do there job? U turning left right centre and causing more pollution, because terry wants his new patio set delivered the next day.

 

Farcical. I'm voting green.

[Elmambo 25]

On 17/04/2022 at 15:44, Annie Bynnol said:

If people are coming or  going to places on or near School Road they will continue to do so.

They will benefit from not having to deal with traffic using their residential streets as rat runs and obliging the rat runners  to stick to the designated roads for through traffic.

 

Remember you have the opportunity to help reduce the problem caused by traffic in Crookes by commenting on the temporary restriction once they have been implemented. At least somebody is trying.

They are not rats, merely motorists who pay large amounts of money for the doubtful privilege of using the roads.  I do not understand the logic of what you are saying - roads are made inaccessible, therefore motorists must use accessible roads, increasing the volume of traffic on them.

I keep hearing about "traffic problems" in Crookes - apart from stupid and dangerous parking, which this scheme does not address and in any case disappears with the students, there are none.

I don't think you actually live in Crookes.

[Elmambo 25]

6 hours ago, Planner1 said:

And people don't always have to use motorised transport. That's the idea of the scheme, to make the area more suitable for walking and cycling. If people do switch to those modes for some of their trips, there will be less traffic overall, so less problems.

So in order to encourage people to walk and cycle more they have chosen the hilliest and least suitable (especially in winter) part of Sheffield to do so ?   The same people who wanted to make Sheffield greener by chopping the trees down ?  Lord help us all.

[Planner1 428]

29 minutes ago, Elmambo said:

So in order to encourage people to walk and cycle more they have chosen the hilliest and least suitable (especially in winter) part of Sheffield to do so ?   The same people who wanted to make Sheffield greener by chopping the trees down ?  Lord help us all.

So should measures to help people walk and cycle more only be implemented in places that aren’t hilly?

 

Should they not bother trying to help people walk or cycle more because it might snow / be icy on a handful of days a year?

 

Strangely enough, people seem to get up those hills just fine on foot or by bike ( they do have  gears you know) even in inclement weather.

29 minutes ago, LovePotion said:

Talking of ridiculous parking. Mulehouse Road has some of the most unacceptable parking I have ever seen. The pavement is often blocked by people going to Berés on one side, and the other side is often blocked by vehicles being serviced by Carnall's auto centre. There is a car that repeatedly parks at the junction of Chichester Road/Mulehouse Road boocking the pavement way and the bubbled crossing for blind people, you have to walk in to the road to get past. I thought cars weren't supposed to park within so many feet of a junction? This car's rear end is inches away from Mulehouse Road roadway.

Have you reported it to the Police?

[fools 447]

32 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

So should measures to help people walk and cycle more only be implemented in places that aren’t hilly?

 

Should they not bother trying to help people walk or cycle more because it might snow / be icy on a handful of days a year?

 

Strangely enough, people seem to get up those hills just fine on foot or by bike ( they do have  gears you know) even in inclement weather.

 

Never had a problem walking or cycling anywhere, no "measures" required. Stop meddling.

 

Unless officialdom starts building tunnels and lifts, there's jack all they can do to encourage people to start cycling up hills, gears or no gears.

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by fools

[Planner1 428]

1 hour ago, fools said:

Never had a problem walking or cycling anywhere, no "measures" required. Stop meddling.

 

Good for you! Unfortunately not everyone has your fortitude and many feel there are barriers which make  them  less inclined to walk or cycle. Unless we remove some of those barriers, there won’t be the step change in active travel that is being sought. 

[fools 447]

No one cares about a step change.

 

If people want to walk, there's these things called pavements. They've been around a while.

 

If they are a bit potty, and want to do their weekly shop in 20 attempts, and risk a heart attack on every hill, they'll buy a bike. The idea that some gears on a bike makes a hill a pleasant experience is bizarre.

 

Closing a few side streets ain't going to get everyone on a bike.

 

There are much smarter ideas to reduce car usage, but the authoritarians won't be interested in those.

Edited April 18, 2022 by fools

[Planner1 428]

1 hour ago, fools said:

Unless officialdom starts building tunnels and lifts, there's jack all they can do to encourage people to start cycling up hills, gears or no gears.

Not everyone sees hills as an insurmountable barrier.
 

Providing less busy routes, where novice cyclists won’t be as intimidated by traffic, and will feel safer, is just one way of helping. 

 

Leeds are introducing an electric bike hire scheme. Research appears to show that people who try out an electric bike are more inclined to buy one of their own. 

[Planner1 428]

3 minutes ago, fools said:

No one cares about a step change.

Really? How come the Government are ploughing billions into active travel schemes and Councils across the country are queuing up to implement them?

 

How else are the carbon reduction targets going to be met?

[fools 447]

6 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Not everyone sees hills as an insurmountable barrier.
 

Providing less busy routes, where novice cyclists won’t be as intimidated by traffic, and will feel safer, is just one way of helping. 

 

Leeds are introducing an electric bike hire scheme. Research appears to show that people who try out an electric bike are more inclined to buy one of their own. 

Have you actually ever ridden a bike, up a hill?

 

You love to quote research and your inside knowledge of what the people want. You can get any research to give any conclusion you require, that's what the business is about.

 

Electric bikes, powered by gas, and requiring lithium. If you gave everyone in the city a bike, most of them would get used once.

2 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

Really? How come the Government are ploughing billions into active travel schemes and Councils across the country are queuing up to implement them?

 

How else are the carbon reduction targets going to be met?

Are you in your own little world, where what officialdom spends money on is all that matters.

Edited April 18, 2022 by fools

[Planner1 428]

6 minutes ago, fools said:

 

If they are a bit potty, and want to do their weekly shop in 20 attempts, and risk a heart attack on every hill, they'll buy a bike.

There’s evidence that people who visit the shops by walking and cycling actually spend more money than those who go by car.

 

Getting fitter by cycling or walking is of course likely to reduce your chances of having that heart attack. But let’s not let mere facts get in the way of your I’ll informed rants…

[fools 447]

6 hours ago, Planner1 said:

There’s evidence that people who visit the shops by walking and cycling actually spend more money than those who go by car.

 

Getting fitter by cycling or walking is of course likely to reduce your chances of having that heart attack. But let’s not let mere facts get in the way of your I’ll informed rants…

Ill-informed you say. You don't even seemingly know that bike gears make sod all difference against gravity.

 

Evidence you say, that sounds like another one of those fake "research" surveys. Here's some evidence, what size is a typical car boot, compare that to how much a 70 year old can transport on a bike in one go.

 

And how does cycling or walking protect you from a heart attack, have you got some definitive research on that?

Edited April 19, 2022 by fools