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4 hours ago, trastrick said:

Yeah, we all know that!

 

But the questions is, what do we do when Putin doesn't agree with you?

Simple enough, we keep doing what we’re doing now.
 

Continue fulfilling Ukrainian orders for hardware whilever they’re ready and willing to fight, continue knocking Russian false flag ops on the head and feeding NATO-captured SIGINT/COMINT to the UA army for strategic & tactical advantage, continue reducing Russian oil/gas imports gradually down to nowt, continue isolating Russia down to North Korean levels.

 

Clearly, it’s working. Slowly, admittedly (nobody’s willing to trash their national economy over it - and those economies pay for UA help), but it is.

 

You only need to look at how shrill the propaganda is getting in Russia (“we’ll nuke the west; at least we’ll go to Paradise while they and us burn”) for evidence of the fact. No other explanation for reaching such levels of crass imbecility so soon (2 months from invasion start, lest we forget).

 

If Putin is still happy ruling over starving Russians in full NK-style autarky, and Russians are still happy/dumb enough to let him, more power to him, who the f cares. Rest of the world will move on. Minus the western ****-stirrers previously on his payroll, like Farage, Marine LePen, Bannon, GB News, Johnson and many of the Tory ultras, and so many more, which will be a very nice benefit for western democracies - beside Finland and Sweden hopping onto the NATO bandwagon.

 

Putin lost this war the day Ukrainians fought back and stalled him. Which, recalling Kyiv airport’s aborted invasion, was basically day one. He’s had plenty of off-ramps given him since then, and if the situation wasn’t already completely down to him to begin with, then it absolutely and utterly is by now.

 

With any luck, he’ll meet a Ceaucescu- or Ghaddafi-esque end, roughly grabbed, few kicks in the balls, lined up against a wall and shot. Be nice and cathartic for everyone. Still too quick for that turd, though.

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On 25/04/2022 at 00:13, The_DADDY said:

The US lags behind the competition as far as hypersonic missiles go.

 

Russia hasn’t even got enough smart stand off munitions to equip its jets. Their top tier aircraft are getting shot down because they have to fly below cloud level to drop conventional bombs which rely on line of sight. This puts them squarely in the kill zone of man portable missile systems which, if memory serves, are deadly up to about 12000 feet. The reason for this is that Putin has put all his old clod hopping mates from the KGB in charge of the munitions factories and missiles actually have a shelf life.

2 hours ago, L00b said:

Simple enough, we keep doing what we’re doing now.
 

Continue fulfilling Ukrainian orders for hardware whilever they’re ready and willing to fight, continue knocking Russian false flag ops on the head and feeding NATO-captured SIGINT/COMINT to the UA army for strategic & tactical advantage, continue reducing Russian oil/gas imports gradually down to nowt, continue isolating Russia down to North Korean levels.

 

Clearly, it’s working. Slowly, admittedly (nobody’s willing to trash their national economy over it - and those economies pay for UA help), but it is.

 

You only need to look at how shrill the propaganda is getting in Russia (“we’ll nuke the west; at least we’ll go to Paradise while they and us burn”) for evidence of the fact. No other explanation for reaching such levels of crass imbecility so soon (2 months from invasion start, lest we forget).

 

If Putin is still happy ruling over starving Russians in full NK-style autarky, and Russians are still happy/dumb enough to let him, more power to him, who the f cares. Rest of the world will move on. Minus the western ****-stirrers previously on his payroll, like Farage, Marine LePen, Bannon, GB News, Johnson and many of the Tory ultras, and so many more, which will be a very nice benefit for western democracies - beside Finland and Sweden hopping onto the NATO bandwagon.

 

Putin lost this war the day Ukrainians fought back and stalled him. Which, recalling Kyiv airport’s aborted invasion, was basically day one. He’s had plenty of off-ramps given him since then, and if the situation wasn’t already completely down to him to begin with, then it absolutely and utterly is by now.

 

With any luck, he’ll meet a Ceaucescu- or Ghaddafi-esque end, roughly grabbed, few kicks in the balls, lined up against a wall and shot. Be nice and cathartic for everyone. Still too quick for that turd, though.

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Backing a nuclear power with a nationalist leader into a corner - and aggressive rhetoric from the likes of our donut foreign secretary for one - will ultimately get the reaction that was on the cards from the off.

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We are now sending troops to  Eastern Europe , this is looking more and more like 1938 all over again , History always seems to repeat its self .

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Russian TV, : "We are going to heaven".

 

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Why are we getting involved ?

Isn’t it more of an EU problem.

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44 minutes ago, harvey19 said:

Why are we getting involved ?

Isn’t it more of an EU problem.

Because freedom and democracy don’t survive unless they are defended. Tragically we have another Hitler to deal with and need to stand with our friends and allies. The alternative is to allow the Russian psycho to invade whoever he likes in his pursuit to rebuild Mordor.

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10 hours ago, makapaka said:

Backing a nuclear power with a nationalist leader into a corner - and aggressive rhetoric from the likes of our donut foreign secretary for one - will ultimately get the reaction that was on the cards from the off.

Putin is not in a corner. He can stop the Russian aggression in Ukraine any time that he wishes.

 

But if nobody ever checks his bluffs, he’ll just continue on, and on, and on, like he has for the last 20-odd years.

 

Care to share your alternative?

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8 minutes ago, L00b said:

Putin is not in a corner. He can stop the Russian aggression in Ukraine any time that he wishes.

 

But if nobody ever checks his bluffs, he’ll just continue on, and on, and on, like he has for the last 20-odd years.

 

Care to share your alternative?

Yeah - but then to be seen to have failed which is clearly not an option to him. 
 

I don’t think fighting a proxy war with Russia - loading Ukraine up with western weapons and crippling Russia’s economy-  is going to make putin stop - it’s going to make him more determined.

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36 minutes ago, Jim117 said:

Because freedom and democracy don’t survive unless they are defended. Tragically we have another Hitler to deal with and need to stand with our friends and allies. The alternative is to allow the Russian psycho to invade whoever he likes in his pursuit to rebuild Mordor.

But why is the U.K. involving itself when there are plenty of EU countries that could help.

We withdrew our armed forces from Germany and Ukraine is not part of NATO.

Are the UN getting involved ?

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56 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Yeah - but then to be seen to have failed which is clearly not an option to him. 
 

I don’t think fighting a proxy war with Russia - loading Ukraine up with western weapons and crippling Russia’s economy-  is going to make putin stop - it’s going to make him more determined.

I’m not seeing any alternative in your reply.

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7 minutes ago, OlegAney said:

 

If the United States and its European allies continue their current policy, this will exacerbate hostilities with Russia and devastate Ukraine in the process. Alternatively, they can switch gears and work to create a prosperous but neutral Ukraine, one that does not threaten Russia and allows the West to repair its relations with Moscow. With that approach, all sides would win.

 

But according to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Putins’s aggression…

 

In reality the taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement. Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement and in recent years they have made it clear that they would not stand by while Ukrainians turned into a Western bastion. (Imagine the outrage in Washington if China built an impressive military alliance and tried to include Mexico in it!).

 

Also of note, given that most Western leaders continue to deny that Putin’s behaviour might be motivated by legitimate security concerns, they have tried to modify it by doubling down on their existing policies supplying ‘more lethal aid’ to the Ukraine and thus provoking Zelensky to say ‘we will fight until the end’. Nevertheless, this is something that only 11% of Ukrainians can agree to, providing that every third or forth Ukrainian has a relative in Russia. (e.g. I live in Russia, my wife’s brother lives in Zaporozhie (Ukraine), my uncle lives in Simferopol (Crimea), my son is in Bielorussia).

 

I would like to say again that there is a solution to the crisis in Ukraine, however—although it would require the West to think in a fundamentally new way. The United States and its allies should abandon their plan to westernise Ukraine and instead aim to make it at least a neutral buffer between NATO and Russia, akin to Austria’s position during the Cold War.

 

If Putin’s goal was to forestall a NATO enlargement, his unprovoked aggression against Ukraine is the worst geopolitical blunder since the Cold War, by an intergalactic mile.

 

Finland’s accession to NATO is already a done deal, but for the t’s to cross and i’s to dot.

 

Sweden isn’t long/far behind.

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