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3 minutes ago, trastrick said:

Let me set you straight, pal. Putin is NOT good!

 

Putin is a Tryant. A totalitarian Tyrant, who took advantage of Obama/Biden weakness to invade the Ukraine, twice!

 

Tyrant's can smell fear and indecision. There's lots more in the World where he came from.

 

They laugh at the pathetic and ill founded logic that has one country like Ukraine carrying the hopes and dreams of Western armchair warriors, and doing the dirty work, while they are AT THE SAME TIME, sending $31,000,000,000.00 to Putin for his Fossil Fuel Oil and Gas, and staying home on their sofas, watching their proxy war on telly.

 

That's Thirty One Billion dollars they have paid him. and are still paying him.

 

I've lived through one World War and quite a few others, and this kind of so-called Western Foreign Policy can only come from someone of whom, like the respected former Defense Secretary for Bush and Obama, Robert Gates, said publicly:

 

"He (Joe Biden) has been wrong on nearly every major Foriegn Policy and National Security Issue over the past four decades!"

 

And he's not alone:

 

ABC News

 

"Former George W. Bush Deputy C hief of Staff Karl Rove in 2010: "Since his election to the U.S. Senate in the early 70s, Joe Biden has been on the wrong end of virtually every foreign policy dispute since then."

 

"Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer in 2012: The vice president over the last 30 years "holds the American record for [being] wrong on the most issues in foreign affairs ever. … He is the Herbert Hoover of American foreign policy."

 

"Marc Thiessen, speechwriter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and President Bush, in 2012: "The fact is Biden has a near-perfect record of being wrong about almost every major foreign policy question that the United States has faced in the past three decades."

 

"Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in 2012: "Biden has - has been consistently wrong on every national security issue that I've been involved in in the last 20 years or so."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/01/bob-gates-memoir-slams-joe-biden-for-being-wrong-on-foreign-policy

 

Save me the phony outrage!

 

 

Got to say , I agree with some of that 

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Bloody hell there’s more armchairs and sofas on this topic than a DFS sale!

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5 hours ago, Jim117 said:

Bloody hell there’s more armchairs and sofas on this topic than a DFS sale!

Meaning  ?

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18 hours ago, Jim117 said:

Bloody hell there’s more armchairs and sofas on this topic than a DFS sale!

So where do you sit to cheer on the destruction, slaughter, rape, of the brave Ukranian nation?  :)

 

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wow, amazing footage of the missile hitting the mall, and debris etc raining down on a family park here

 

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4 minutes ago, melthebell said:

wow, amazing footage of the missile hitting the mall, and debris etc raining down on a family park here

 

Yea  . its great :rolleyes:

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4 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Yea  . its great :rolleyes:

i didnt mean its great, but its amazing..and shocking to see things you dont normally see up close and personal, and puts to bed some of the lies that the Russians are propagating, when you see debris raining down on a quiet park full of families, kids etc it really brings it home that they arent attacking military stores.

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12 hours ago, melthebell said:

i didnt mean its great, but its amazing..and shocking to see things you dont normally see up close and personal, and puts to bed some of the lies that the Russians are propagating, when you see debris raining down on a quiet park full of families, kids etc it really brings it home that they arent attacking military stores.

What you are seeeing "up close" is the reality of war. Yet another war in Europe, in a tradition that goes back 2,000 years.

 

If it takes such images, for you to be able to "put to bed some of the lies" of tyranical totalitarians, so be it.

 

But it's a reality that the Ukrainians are facing alone, while the Western pearl clutchers cheeer them on from the comfort of their tellys, and coninue to send $billions ($31 billion, since the war began) to the very same totalitarian tyrant, that that is financing his war.

 

As long as such logic prevails in humanity, it will alwas be thus!

 

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59 minutes ago, trastrick said:

 

What you are seeeing "up close" is the reality of war. Yet another war in Europe, in a tradition that goes back 2,000 years.

 

If it takes such images, for you to be able to "put to bed some of the lies" of tyranical totalitarians, so be it.

 

But it's a reality that the Ukrainians are facing alone, while the Western pearl clutchers cheeer them on from the comfort of their tellys, and coninue to send $billions ($31 billion, since the war began) to the very same totalitarian tyrant, that that is financing his war.

 

As long as such logic prevails in humanity, it will alwas be thus!

 

Perhaps we should turn off the TV ,roll back the settee and declare war properly( as we always seemed to do in the past) , unless we feel that Russia is a step too  far that is ?.

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Can we send Ecclestone to Rwanda ?

 

Loathesome little twerp

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34 minutes ago, Leo Tomlinson said:

Perhaps we should turn off the TV ,roll back the settee and declare war properly( as we always seemed to do in the past) , unless we feel that Russia is a step too  far that is ?.

You have hit the nub of the gist!  :)

 

In a single sentence!

 

If history is any guide, the West should recognize that the vast majority of the World, does not share their old and dicredited colonial view that they are somehow morally superior. Their democracies are frail, and rife with the same human corruption to be found everywhere.  Germany, under it's new flag, is still dominating Europe, and expanding under the guise of NATO, EU, and there are those here, who happily vote for that.

 

The West faces totalitarian nuclear armed states that will not accept their forms of government. They are the majority of the world's population.

 

There  are only two options. 

 

One is to eliminate, by force, our perceived enemies. with all means at our disposal. (Yes, Virginia, THAT one too!)

 

Or do what sane and sober minds did in the past. Find a way to co-exist. That option kept the world in relative peace and equilibrium for 70 years.

 

With co-existence, unlimited travel, trade, cultural, sporting, educational exchanges there is hope that quality of life issues will dominate agendas, and people themselves will decide whether they want to live under the jackboot of totalitarians, or obtain the freedoms that the Western Democracies have come to enjoy.  Yatchts, hotels, world wide vacations, Premiership teams, freedom to travel and invest in the West are a powerful incentive.

 

Isolating them, demonizing and denigrating them, trying to starve them economically in the hopes of some "enlightened" domestic popular revolution (AKA 'regime change") never works, and is seeen as an affront to their diginity. It actually hardens their resolve.

 

To change hearts and minds is a generational undertaking. To lead is to show by example.

 

Unfortunately some will prefer to opt for "safety and security" under authority, as another poster here recently suggested, even in the West, and are more than willing to give up personal freedoms in order to maintain that dependency.

 

So you are left with the choices!

 

Co-exist or go to War!

 

Don't expect the hapless Ukrainians to do it for you!  They can't win.

 

I hope you make a wise choice, because I'm outa there, and I'll be long gone before the votes are in!

 

Good luck!

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