New Year Honours

[spilldig 188]

9 hours ago, The_DADDY said:

How Nobel of us to help invade another country and murder around a million people in an illegal war. Oh and we paid our best ally for that. In blood, territory and in money. Its actually not that long ago since we finished paying our "best ally" the debt. 

Exactly as you say. Unlike the debt of billions owed us by Germany for the second world war which Douglas Hurd kindly let them of with. A pity our "best ally" didn't let us off the same way.

[The_DADDY 3,469]

7 hours ago, West 77 said:

 

 

No British prime minister takes our country into a war without good reason.  It's far more complex than just the wmd's situation. 

 

BLAIR IS NO WAR CRIMINAL

Were there any wmd's? 

You know, the reason we invaded Iraq? 

4 hours ago, spilldig said:

Exactly as you say. Unlike the debt of billions owed us by Germany for the second world war which Douglas Hurd kindly let them of with. A pity our "best ally" didn't let us off the same way.

If forgotten about that. 

Very good point 👍

[Jack Grey 1,602]

If you want to sign a petition to have the Knighthood rescinded then click the link below

 

It already has 400,000 signatures at the time of writing this comment

 

https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-minister-tony-blair-to-have-his-knight-companion-of-the-most-noble-order-of-the-garter-rescinded

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by Jack Grey

[El Cid 218]

1 minute ago, Jack Grey said:

If you want to sign a petition to have the Knighthood rescinded then click the link below

""Tony Blair caused irreparable damage to both the constitution of the United Kingdom and to the very fabric of the nation's society.""

 

In my opinion Johnson is doing more harm than Blair did, with the Government’s poisonous Elections bill is designed to cement Tory rule.

Blair brought in the freedom of information rules, good for democracy, which Johnson wants to downgrade.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/governments-poisonous-elections-bill-is-designed-to-cement-tory-rule/

[Jack Grey 1,602]

Just now, El Cid said:

""Tony Blair caused irreparable damage to both the constitution of the United Kingdom and to the very fabric of the nation's society.""

 

In my opinion Johnson is doing more harm than Blair did, with the Government’s poisonous Elections bill is designed to cement Tory rule.

Blair brought in the freedom of information rules, good for democracy, which Johnson wants to downgrade.

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/governments-poisonous-elections-bill-is-designed-to-cement-tory-rule/

Im ashamed to say that i voted for Blair (twice) and i supported the Iraq war

 

But we all now know that it was based on lies of WMDs which has cost the lives of millions of people globally

 

He should be in The Hague not be given a knighthood 

[cuttsie 1,090]

24 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

Im ashamed to say that i voted for Blair (twice) and i supported the Iraq war

 

But we all now know that it was based on lies of WMDs which has cost the lives of millions of people globally

 

He should be in The Hague not be given a knighthood 

Along with his wife who pretends to defend the rights of the working class among other worthy causes while amassing a vast fortune from it all along with teflon Tony

[Anna B 1,414]

A lot of protests about this. Been watching Jeremy Vine where this came up on the phone in. The majority of callers were against the award for Tony blair. Also noticed a petition online against it. Far from a popular decision.

Also think these 'honours' in general need another think.

[Jack Grey 1,602]

15 minutes ago, Anna B said:

A lot of protests about this. Been watching Jeremy Vine where this came up on the phone in. The majority of callers were against the award for Tony blair. Also noticed a petition online against it. Far from a popular decision.

Also think these 'honours' in general need another think.

It already has 400,000 signatures at the time of writing this comment

 

https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-minister-tony-blair-to-have-his-knight-companion-of-the-most-noble-order-of-the-garter-rescinded

Edited January 3, 2022 by Jack Grey

[L00b 441]

On 01/01/2022 at 21:08, The Joker said:

Don't forget that Saddam was also our ally.

 

Saddam also fought a war with  Iran, and Western powers gave Saddam miltary support including weapons and intelligence.

 

I think Le French even built him a nuclear reactor, and good old Sheffield supplied the barrel for his alleged Supergun.

 

Not as I recall. [edit: France certainly trained Iraqi scientists in civil nuclear tech, so did Germany, the UK and Japan at least].
 

But French subcontractors certainly built/assembled a sh*t ton of US-manufactured and US-supplied prefab hospitals and schools there, in the mid to late 80s.

 

Saddam wasn’t so much an “ally”, as an expedient geopolitical buffer against fundamentalist Muslims in the region.
 

It was a dangerous-ish place to work, in a “1930s Germany, don’t be a d*ck and mind the secret police and all will be well” kind of way, but people there didn’t seem that unhappy at the time, and standards of living were pretty good then (by western standards).

Edited January 3, 2022 by L00b

[Jack Grey 1,602]

4 minutes ago, L00b said:

Not as I recall.
 

But French subcontractors certainly built/assembled a sh*t ton of US-manufactured and US-supplied prefab hospitals and schools there, in the mid to late 80s.

 

Saddam wasn’t so much an “ally”, as an expedient geopolitical buffer against fundamentalist Muslims in the region.
 

It was a dangerous-ish place to work, in a “1930s Germany, don’t be a d*ck and mind the secret police and all will be well” kind of way, but people there didn’t seem that unhappy at the time, and standards of living were pretty good then (by western standards).

I think that recent history has proved that it takes a tyrant to rule a country in the middle east

 

We shouldve just left them to it

 

Thats why im against any UK intervention in global conflicts in the future 

[El Cid 218]

38 minutes ago, Jack Grey said:

I think that recent history has proved that it takes a tyrant to rule a country in the middle east

We shouldve just left them to it

 

Thats why im against any UK intervention in global conflicts in the future 

Would you have let Hitler take over other countries, like you would with Putin?

Its always difficult to know what to do.

[Jack Grey 1,602]

1 minute ago, El Cid said:

Would you have let Hitler take over other countries, like you would with Putin?

Its always difficult to know what to do.

Hitler was different because of the threat of invasion 

 

However, i think we should build a relationship with Putin.....and China

 

As an independent nation there are no disadvantages to being friendly with them