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33 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

Chekhov said :

I did not say child protection is BS, or indeed public health measures. You're just making that up.

What I said is all edicts and laws need to be proportionate.

e.g. :

Speed limits = proportionate

Banning opening windows on trains = not proportionate

 

Sibon said :

No. What you actually said was that you don't agree with the experts.

Most of the things that you whine on about are proportionate. You just don't like them.

 

Loads of stuff during the Pandemic were disproportionate, the best example is what Mike Buckley said, which, AFAIK, you have never disavowed :

 

(June 2021) Mike Buckley : broadcaster and Labour activist :
All secondary school pupils [all three million of them] wearing masks would be worth it to save one life.
 
Just to emphasis how ludicrous this comment was, by June 2021 every person at any significant risk from Covid had been offered a vaccination.
So, Sibon, is Buckley's comment proportionate ?
Yes or no ?

I think you need a rest. Repeating an obscure comment over and over again, just to cause an argument. It isn't the sort of behaviour that most people indulge in.

 

People said all sorts of things about Covid. 5g. Bill Gates. Bleach. Sunlight. Just a bit of flu. And on and on.

 

You seem unnaturally obsessed with Mike Buckley and Jenny Harries. Have a kit kat.

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Good to see highly respected TV presenter Sue Cook is making her voice heard for the "forgotten" vaccine injury victims, also a petition to open a public inquiry into Covid vaccine safety has reached nearly 78k signatures. Both quite impressive for something that a large group on here claim don't exist.

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1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

 

 

(June 2021) Mike Buckley : broadcaster and Labour activist :
All secondary school pupils [all three million of them] wearing masks would be worth it to save one life.
 
Just to emphasis how ludicrous this comment was, by June 2021 every person at any significant risk from Covid had been offered a vaccination.
So, Sibon, is Buckley's comment proportionate ?
Yes or no ?

It is an example of hyperbole and not to be taken literally.

A point made by exaggeration.

Like someone saying that a comment on the radio nearly caused them to crash their car!

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1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

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Banning opening windows on trains = not proportionate

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When was the opening of windows on trains banned?

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27 minutes ago, top4718 said:

Good to see highly respected TV presenter Sue Cook is making her voice heard for the "forgotten" vaccine injury victims, also a petition to open a public inquiry into Covid vaccine safety has reached nearly 78k signatures. Both quite impressive for something that a large group on here claim don't exist.

Good to see that you are trusting MSM. After all Sue Cook was employed by the evil BBC and she's probably still a part of their narrative. 

 

Anyway, also good to see that the government have already responded to the petition. 

 

The Government has commissioned a public inquiry into the COVID-19 pandemic and has no plans for a separate inquiry on vaccine safety. The safety of COVID-19 vaccines is monitored by the Medicines Healthcare and Regulatory products Agency (MHRA).

 

The MHRA has authorised COVID-19 vaccine supply following a rigorous review of their safety, quality and efficacy. The clinical trials of the vaccines have shown them to be effective and acceptably safe; however, as part of its statutory functions, the MHRA continually monitors the use of the vaccines to ensure their benefits continue to outweigh any risks. This is a requirement for all authorised medicines and vaccines in the UK. This monitoring strategy is continuous, proactive and based on a wide range of information sources, with a dedicated team of scientists reviewing information daily to look for safety issues or unexpected events.

 

The MHRA operates the Yellow Card scheme to collect and monitor information on suspected safety concerns or incidents involving vaccines, medicines, medical devices, and e-cigarettes. The scheme relies on voluntary reporting of suspected adverse incidents by healthcare professionals and members of the public. The scheme is designed to provide an early warning that the safety of a product may require further investigation.

 

Up to and including 15 December 2021, the MHRA received and analysed: 145,446 Adverse Event reports (ADRs) from people who have received the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine; 240,065 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the AstraZeneca vaccine; 24,721 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Moderna vaccine. For context, up to same date, approximately 46.4 million Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccines, 50 million AstraZeneca vaccines and 2.8 million Moderna doses had been administered as first and second doses.

 

The overwhelming majority of these reports relate to injection-site reactions (sore arm for example) and generalised symptoms such as ‘flu-like’ illness, headache, chills, fatigue (tiredness), nausea (feeling sick), fever, dizziness, weakness, aching muscles, and rapid heartbeat. Generally, these happen shortly after the vaccination and are not associated with more serious or lasting illness. These types of reactions reflect the normal immune response triggered by the body to the vaccines. They are typically seen with most types of vaccine and tend to resolve within a day or two.

 

The continuous review of available evidence from UK Yellow Card reports of suspected side-effects to the vaccines and other healthcare data does not suggest that the COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of cardiovascular events such as heart attacks. The benefits of the vaccines in preventing COVID-19 and serious complications associated with COVID-19 continue to far outweigh the risks in the majority of patients.

 

However, the MHRA has identified the rare occurrence of myocarditis and pericarditis (both inflammatory conditions of the heart) following vaccination against COVID-19. There has been a consistent pattern of higher reporting of these rare, suspected events with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine Moderna vaccine, and of these occurring more frequently in males. Following analysis combined with advice from the Commission on Human Medicines, the product information for the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccines was updated to inform of these reports and advise healthcare professionals and patients to be aware of important symptoms for myocarditis and pericarditis. These reports are very rare, with the overall reporting rate across all age groups as follows:

 

Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine: For suspected myocarditis (including viral myocarditis) the reporting rate is 12 reports per million doses, and for suspected pericarditis (including viral pericarditis and infective pericarditis) the overall reporting rate is 8 reports per million doses.

 

Moderna Vaccine: The overall reporting rate for suspected myocarditis is 42 per million doses and for suspected pericarditis is 24 per million doses.

 

AstraZeneca Vaccine: The overall reporting rate for suspected myocarditis (including viral myocarditis and infectious myocarditis) is 4 per million doses and for suspected pericarditis (including viral pericarditis) is 4 per million doses.

 

These events reported are typically mild with individuals usually recovering within a short time with standard treatment and rest.

 

The MHRA will continue to closely monitor reports of suspected myocarditis and pericarditis with all of the currently authorised COVID-19 vaccines, as it continues to do with any concerns that the Yellow Card Scheme might raise. Vaccines are the best way to protect people from COVID-19 and have already saved tens of thousands of lives.

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10 hours ago, top4718 said:

Good to see highly respected TV presenter Sue Cook is making her voice heard for the "forgotten" vaccine injury victims, also a petition to open a public inquiry into Covid vaccine safety has reached nearly 78k signatures. Both quite impressive for something that a large group on here claim don't exist.

NOBODY on here has ever said vaccine injuries don't exist, your lying again.

ALL medications have risks, and a list of side effects

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I believe the train window thing is more down to new rolling stock having air conditioning, opening windows would defeat the upgrade

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10 hours ago, top4718 said:

, also a petition to open a public inquiry into Covid vaccine safety has reached nearly 78k signatures.

 

 

 quite impressive for something that a large group on here claim don't exist.

For context.

 

That is roughly 0.1% of the UK population.

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11 hours ago, sibon said:

I think you need a rest. Repeating an obscure comment over and over again, just to cause an argument. It isn't the sort of behaviour that most people indulge in.

 

People said all sorts of things about Covid. 5g. Bill Gates. Bleach. Sunlight. Just a bit of flu. And on and on.

 

You seem unnaturally obsessed with Mike Buckley and Jenny Harries. Have a kit kat.

I notice you still haven't answered the question :

 

So, Sibon, is Buckley's comment proportionate ?
Yes or no ?

 

Have you considered politics ? In that profession not answering a question is a skill.

 

40 minutes ago, butlers said:

I believe the train window thing is more down to new rolling stock having air conditioning, opening windows would defeat the upgrade

No it isn't. It's down to H&S overkill because a few years ago someone got their head knocked whilst sticking it out of the window without putting their brain into gear first.  

Sad ?

Yes, but no reason to ban all opening windows on trains.....

 

https://www.orr.gov.uk/search-news/safety-first-droplight-windows-heritage-and-charter-trains

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4 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

I notice you still haven't answered the question :

 

So, Sibon, is Buckley's comment proportionate ?
Yes or no ?

 

Have you considered politics ? In that profession not answering a question is a skill.

Hyperbole is frequently used by politicians and like advertising is not to be taken literally.

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11 hours ago, RJRB said:
(June 2021) Mike Buckley : broadcaster and Labour activist :
All secondary school pupils [all three million of them] wearing masks would be worth it to save one life.

 

It is an example of hyperbole and not to be taken literally.

A point made by exaggeration.

Like someone saying that a comment on the radio nearly caused them to crash their car!

So he didn't mean it then ? The problem is saying stuff like that only works when it is quite plainly hyperbole. In the same interview Buckley also was boasting about the fact his kids "wore masks and didn't mind it at all". In addition, because I was widely quoting him I wanted to give him the chance to clarify his statement so E mailed him, but he never bothered replying.

So no, I think he meant it literally, he was virtue signalling, and now he is hoisted by his own petard.

 

But, to an extent, this is all irrelevant anyway, I simply asked Sibon if Buckley's comment was proportionate, a simple "no" would have sufficed, but he could not even bring himself to say that.

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