COVID THREAD

[melthebell 862]

6 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

Rubbish.

It's because the world had a proportionate attitude personal to risk v personal freedom.

And that is something it is rapidly losing, see "Modern life is rubbish".

What I find most worrying about your post is :

 

1 - You appear to be 100% confident that locking down worked, what evidence have you got for that ?

  

2 - You appear to be saying you think we should lockdown every time we get a new virus or whatever.

If so, what threshold (% chance of death from an infection) do you think should be attained before we're all told where and what we are allowed to do ? 

Here you go with the personal risk ****, it's not just about you, it's about everybody else you come into contact with.

As for your 100 per cent confidence, we don't know, nobody does, without running it again and doing it the opposite way to see how many die the other way of doing things

[butlers 259]

Tricky choosing who to believe isn't it..

 

Sir Christopher John MacRae Whitty KCB FRCP FFPH FMedSci  and Chief Medical Officer for the UK ,who  was actually on the wards treating covid patients when not doing the public information stuff

Edited June 14, 2022 by butlers

[Tyke02 111]

1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

Answer to a point made by L00b on the thread about parents getting fined for holidays in term time.

 

I have repeatedly stated that Long Covid was exaggerated and would be proven so, more "misinformation" ? :

 

Long Covid less common than feared - ONS study (19 Sept 21)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58584558
One in 40 people with coronavirus has symptoms lasting at least three months, Office for National Statistics figures suggest.
In April, an ONS report put the proportion at about one in every 10.
The latest, large and comprehensive analysis suggests long Covid may be less common than previously thought.

 

People also suffer 'long flu', study shows

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58726775

People who have fallen ill with flu can suffer long-term symptoms in a similar way to long Covid, a study suggests.

The Oxford University research analysed health records of people diagnosed with flu and Covid, mainly in the US.

The two groups - both with just over 100,000 patients - included people seeking healthcare for symptoms three to six months after infection.

These included problems such as anxiety, abnormal breathing, fatigue and headaches.

There were signs that Covid patients were more likely to have long-term symptoms - 42% had at least one symptom recorded compared with 30% in the flu group.

 

OMG ! After all that scaremongering, is that really the best they can do ? : 

 

Covid can give 42% symptoms (however mild) whereas with Flu it's "only" 30%.

Certainly worth changing the whole of society to avoid, not.

But even that comparatively minor difference "could have been influenced by the fact that people may be more likely to seek care for long-term symptoms [for Covid] or the way symptoms are recorded for Covid." 

Really ?

After all this obsessive publicity and scaremongering about Long Covid ?

Surely not.

Have you looked at any of the additional information and research on this topic that has come out in the nine months since these articles were published? You might be surprised.

[top4718 838]

6 hours ago, Beechwood_S6 said:

 

 

https://www.sth.nhs.uk/news/news?action=view&newsID=1403

 

Update on face masks no longer being required at Sheffield Hospitals for most visitors, hopefully signals a decline in infections.

 

I do think i will wear mine, when attending hospital appointments as I don't seem to find it a hardship or hinderance to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You might as well go in wearing flippers, it'll give you the same protection.

[Tyke02 111]

47 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

How about :

 

"This virus is high risk for older people but very low risk for young people and pretty much zero risk for kid"

No, that wasn't publicised so much (or in fact at all) but it was 100% true.

Have you seen this BBC article from 24 May 2020 that says pretty much exactly that based on information from government briefings: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

 

 I don't think it was as poorly publicised as you now claim.

[top4718 838]

14 hours ago, Zinger549 said:

No one is suggesting they didn't cause issues.  Many people suffered badly with Covid and some are still recovering including children.  But you think anyone who disagrees with you is wrong so.

Many more will suffer from the effects of ludicrous lockdowns, the effects will be felt for years.

[trastrick 866]

1 hour ago, melthebell said:

Here you go with the personal risk ****, it's not just about you, it's about everybody else you come into contact with.

As for your 100 per cent confidence, we don't know, nobody does, without running it again and doing it the opposite way to see how many die the other way of doing things

We have people who are paid to know.

 

As for running it backwards, it might be a good idea to release all the data they have, rather than worrying about the political risk of risk feeding conspiracy theorists., just to feed their political "narratives" 

 

It is a citizens/right/moral duty to question the powers that be on matters that affect their lives.

 

Only in despotic regimes is it verboten.

 

There's a name for those who demean, insult and harangue those that do, but can't be repeated here!

 

"Vive les interrogateurs"

 

"Vive les Miserables" 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by trastrick

[Chekhov 488]

Reply to RJRB on the Term time school holidays thread

 

The issues regarding protection of teachers,staff,parents,grandparents etc.are dismissed by yourself more lightly than the majority considered a suitable measure at the time.However those measures are no excuse for changing the rules and it certainly is not hypocritical.

 

Teachers at higher risk should have been furloughed which would have left a shortfall of teachers but not all kids would have gone in to school anyway, e.g. the relatively small number with parents vulnerable to Covid. Even if there had been a shortage of teachers having bigger classes would still have been far preferable to no classes at all.

Most teachers (70% in fact), are women, and most under 50, and therefore at low risk from Covid (age data 2014 figures) :

 

 

So, 80% (eighty percent...) are under 50, and most are women, who are even less vulnerable to Covid).  :

 

 

All of this was known back in March 2020, but the government did not think schools a high priority. But now, apparently, every single missed week is a disaster and the parents are fined : inconsistent at best, and downright hypocritical at worst.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Chekhov

[melthebell 862]

11 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

Reply to RJRB on the Term time school holidays thread

 

The issues regarding protection of teachers,staff,parents,grandparents etc.are dismissed by yourself more lightly than the majority considered a suitable measure at the time.However those measures are no excuse for changing the rules and it certainly is not hypocritical.

 

Teachers at higher risk should have been furloughed which would have left a shortfall of teachers but not all kids would have gone in to school anyway, e.g. the relatively small number with parents vulnerable to Covid. Even if there had been a shortage of teachers having bigger classes would still have been far preferable to no classes at all.

Most teachers (70% in fact), are women, and most under 50, and therefore at low risk from Covid (age data 2014 figures) :

 

 

So, 80% (eighty percent...) are under 50, and most are women, who are even less vulnerable to Covid).  :

 

 

All of this was known back in March 2020, but the government did not think schools a high priority. But now, apparently, every single missed week is a disaster and the parents are fined : inconsistent at best, and downright hypocritical at worst.

its funny you knew all this in March 2020 but nobody else did, you should run for government

[Guest sibon]

28 minutes ago, melthebell said:

its funny you knew all this in March 2020 but nobody else did, you should run for government

Christ. Has he got those graphs out again?

 

 

[Delayed 461]

4 hours ago, top4718 said:

Many more will suffer from the effects of ludicrous lockdowns, the effects will be felt for years.

How was your holiday btw?

 

I hope you had a good time. If you can let us all know as I'll be happy knowing you had a good time all because of us suppressionists that had the vaccine which enabled you to go on your jollies. 

 

You're welcome

[Tyke02 111]

6 hours ago, Chekhov said:

Whitty is talking absolute claptrap, which he did frequently, as an example he said Omicron was potentially a massive problem when anyone with half a brain (and lacking his racist attitude to South African doctors) could see that Omicron would be the end game for Covid.

 

All you are saying is that his views are inconsistent with your perception of reality.  Some with half a brain made early assumptions about the impact in all countries being the same as in South Africa despite each county having different exposures to vaccines and variants. While many countries proved to have similar experience, others didn't, indicating that the generalisation was false.  The accusation of racism is a baseless slur and if you had a shred of honour you would withdraw it. 

Edited June 14, 2022 by Tyke02