COVID THREAD

[Anna B 1,414]

1 hour ago, RJRB said:

For heavens sake Anna get a grip.

Yes businesses make money .Oil,food,tobacco,wine,brewers etc

They provide and customers consume.

You have a choice what you consume for the main part.

There have been some scandals in the pharmaceutical and medical world,such as the liberal dishing out of anti depressants and the current problems,particularly in the USA of opioids.

However that should not lead anyone to believe that our Health Service is driven by a policy of promoting sickness on behalf of Pharmaceutical companies

 

First of all we need to discriminate between the publicly funded NHS which of course is there to get people better, and the privately funded pharmaceutical companies which are there to make profits. There we have the first dichotomy. The pharma companies sell their wares to the NHS, (and others) The NHS is their biggest customer, worth billions, and should call the shots. But they don't. They are trapped into contracts which allows the Pharma to charge extraordinary amounts for things like asperin and paracetamol, which should be a warning. If they can charge what they like for those, how much extra are they charging for other drugs. Why is it some drugs are so expensive they are beyond the reach of the NHS or severely rationed? I'm thinking of certain cancer drugs. Are they worth the money? Is an alternative available? Brand names are more expensive than generics. Just like 'own brands' in supermarkets, the same rules apply. 

 

Then we have to ask about the effiicacy of their drugs. I said 'keeping people sick' not making them sick.

Are they doing the job they were designed for? Who is checking this? How many times has your doctor provided a medication that has had no effect whatsoever, or minimal effect? Do you know what you are taking in hospital? I always ask, and check it out online. So often it has counter claims to the very things they are meant to be curing. Or clash with another medication that cancel each other out. You are very much in the hands of your doctor whom you have to trust, but I have pointed this out on a couple of qccasions, and the doctor has been as suprised as I was, and changed the medication  immediately.

 

When I came out of hospital once, I was given 25 different drugs from the hospital pharmacy. I would argue that putting that many drugs into a body is going to have an interesting effect, not necessarily good. A trip to my GP (this was in the days when you could see your GP,) and we illiminated 14 as probably doubling up or unnecessary, and then a further 5 with a change of lifestyle.  and shortly after to just 5. Had I not seen my GP and continued with my repeat prescription I would still be taking the 25. (...kerching!) Some people are kept on drugs they don't need for years.

 

Don't get me started on appliances. I have seen the mind boggling application of new techniques and gadgets over the years which are expensive and useless. I've told the frozen bag of peas story before, but often I find that that, or a hot water bottle, helps to alleviate many a discomfort. Granny knew what she was talking about.  

 

I agree with Trastrick, that not all, but many complaints heal themselves within weeks. Good sleep, sensible diet, rest or exercise, and a positive frame of mind help enormously. But they don't make profits. I'm glad to see doctors promoting healthy lifestyles rather than dishing out pills to 'heal' every complaint. But I'd like to see Pharmaceutical companies more monitored, and held accountable, as I would the purchasers of their services.

 

   

 

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by Anna B

[FIRETHORN1 58]

Not sure what the overall percentages would be in each category RJRB, but within my own smallish circle of friends and family - about 30 people in total - only 4 people- just over 10 percent - are out and out anti-vaxxers who have always refused to have the jab from the beginning.  The other 26 - nearly 90 percent - all had the 2 jabs and 20 of those also had the booster. However, of the 26 who had the jabs,10 now wish that they hadn't had them, because like me. they've come to realise that the jab is more damaging to health than the Covid disease itself. I disagree that there is compelling evidence that the jab makes symptoms less severe. I don't think there's any such evidence at all - at least no evidence that I believe. I reckon you're just as likely to get Covid and be seriously ill from it whether you've had the jab or not - and by having the jab, all you achieve is to lay yourself wide open to getting a whole load of unrelated illnesses that you would probably never have got in the first place - if you hadn't had the damn jab.

[melthebell 863]

23 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

When I came out of hospital once, I was given 25 different drugs from the hospital pharmacy. I would argue that putting that many drugs into a body is going to have an interesting effect, not necessarily good. A trip to my GP (this was in the days when you could see your GP,) and we illiminated 14 as probably doubling up or unnecessary, and then a further 5 with a change of lifestyle.  and shortly after to just 5. Had I not seen my GP and continued with my repeat prescription I would still be taking the 25. (...kerching!) Some people are kept on drugs they don't need for years.

You know what? thats why we have experts, Doctors, people who spend years, decades studying things with complicated names, they know and understand what drugs can cause what and whether they are safe together and if they dont, they know how to find out.

 

On the other hand you can ask karen on the internet who knows better

1 minute ago, FIRETHORN1 said:

I reckon you're just as likely to get Covid and be seriously ill from it whether you've had the jab or not - and by having the jab, all you achieve is to lay yourself wide open to getting a whole load of unrelated illnesses that you would probably never have got in the first place - if you hadn't had the damn jab.

As far as im aware i dont have any illness from having the jab, and everybody i know who also had it doesnt, you are either very unlucky in getting ill from the jab, or very unlucky that you got ill from something unconnected after having the jab.

 

Tell you what if i trip over while trying to take my pants off tonight ill blame it on the jab if it makes you feel better.

[FIRETHORN1 58]

Your posts are very refreshing Anna B. You are a voice of commonsense and you express your views clearly and convincingly. Can I ask, were you always against the vaccine - or were you like me, took the vaccine, then changed your mind after realising it was all a vast con? 

[RJRB 688]

@FIRETHORN1

Our opinions obviously differ but to what do you attribute the reductions in deaths following the vaccine rollout.

I would think that better methods of treatment has also had some effect,and since a December the virus seems to be less likely to cause serious illness.

[Anna B 1,414]

2 hours ago, melthebell said:

You know what? thats why we have experts, Doctors, people who spend years, decades studying things with complicated names, they know and understand what drugs can cause what and whether they are safe together and if they dont, they know how to find out.

 

On the other hand you can ask karen on the internet who knows better

As far as im aware i dont have any illness from having the jab, and everybody i know who also had it doesnt, you are either very unlucky in getting ill from the jab, or very unlucky that you got ill from something unconnected after having the jab.

 

Tell you what if i trip over while trying to take my pants off tonight ill blame it on the jab if it makes you feel better.

This is not just about Covid, but general advice. Doctors are human, not Gods. They are not infallible.

You'd think they would know all about drugs or check them out before they prescribe them wouldn't you? They should, but they don't always do this, as my case points out. Whether it be lack of time, or lack of knowledge, or a simple mistake makes no difference. It happens. And if you're on the receiving end tough luck.

That's why we all have a responsibility to ourselves to check up, ask questions, or take appropriate action. A good doctor won't take offence, they want the best outcome as do you.

[melthebell 863]

6 minutes ago, Anna B said:

 

You'd think they would know all about drugs or check them out before they prescribe them wouldn't you? 

THEY DO

[Delayed 465]

29 minutes ago, melthebell said:

THEY DO

I don't know what you are getting worked up about Mel..

 

We can all be doctors if we know how to use Google. That's all it takes.

 

And I'm sure your GP won't mind you second guessing them because a website says something different. 

[melthebell 863]

1 minute ago, Delayed said:

I don't know what you are getting worked up about Mel..

 

We can all be doctors if we know how to use Google. That's all it takes.

 

And I'm sure your GP won't mind you second guessing them because a website says something different. 

Im not, im just trying to make it as simple as i can so she understands

[top4718 838]

11 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Maybe that’s what caused the anal fissures

Your quoting a bloke who claimed the vaccine stopped transmission of the virus, I wouldn't be too sycophantic as he's barely (if ever) right.

15 hours ago, Hecate said:

This thread.  It must be what it's like trying to explain to a toddler why they shouldn't shove a bit of Lego up their nose.  You think you've got through, you think there's been a small glimmer of understanding, but you look again two minutes later and there the kid is trying to lobotomise itself with a plastic brick.

It's exactly that, why do you think politicians totally ignored the rules they made and that gullible idiots were following?

9 hours ago, melthebell said:

And don't forget just catching the virus can affect you negatively, more so than the vaccine, long covid, viral myocarditis etc

It can if your over 80 with existing conditions, I'm sure the families of people who died from a vaccine they didn't need are happy that its affects are more negative 🙄

[melthebell 863]

6 minutes ago, top4718 said:

 

It can if your over 80 with existing conditions, I'm sure the families of people who died from a vaccine they didn't need are happy that its affects are more negative 🙄

lies as usual, plenty of younger folks are suffering long covid (something else you also deny exists in your warped fantasy land), more of my friends caught covid this past week than anytime in the past 2 years, seeing posts on facebook of one friend, one of her other friends said shes had shortness of breath and tiredness since catching covid last August, they are in their 50s.

[top4718 838]

5 hours ago, melthebell said:

Id agree...but its ********, they make mega profits by developing new and updated expensive drugs, they overcharge for drugs, especially to the likes of the NHS etc. How do they make people sicker? how do they know how much to give you to make you sick but not kill you? killing you wouldnt be in their interest for profit.

Life itself means you'll get sick so they have a ready profit for everybody thats alive, the more people born means more profit for them over their lifetimes.

Pfizer made money this time by pushing a vaccine that 90% of people don't need with help from the duplicitous MSM and Governments.

8 hours ago, Hotmale 1954 said:

Floggin a dead horse Mel. The majority of deniers are right wingers. They support and believe the biggest lying, deceiving, fake, uneducated, truth swerving Government this country has ever had. Believing youtoob (other bent mediums are available and rife) fake Professors and clickbait 'influencers' is 2nd nature to them. Putin. Trump. Hitler. Johnson..... (and his Government) are like peas in a pod. Lies. Denials. Anything but the truth and it's thumbs up from them. All of them. And we wonder why the World's in a mess. Enjoying your battle with them though. Is there a 'all Socialists are Paedophile, child trafficking, Britain haters' thread on here? Or a poster that believes that nonsense? Good luck kid!

Your slating people for supporting the current government whilst taking the side of people who slavishly adhered to everything this same government have told them about Covid, despite much of it being absolute nonsense and ministers not even sticking to the rules themselves, bizarre.

4 minutes ago, melthebell said:

lies as usual, plenty of younger folks are suffering long covid (something else you also deny exists in your warped fantasy land), more of my friends caught covid this past week than anytime in the past 2 years, seeing posts on facebook of one friend, one of her other friends said shes had shortness of breath and tiredness since catching covid last August, they are in their 50s.

Have they not had the safe and effective jab?