COVID THREAD

[Chekhov 488]

11 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Would they be the same people who stopped you going for a walk in the park?

Would they be the same people who stopped you going for a walk in the park whenever you wanted ?

 

It was the same government, so yes.

[onewheeldave 22]

10 hours ago, sibon said:

Because, if you have obesity, you can't pass it on to me. So it needs a different public health response to covid.

 

Plus, if you have obesity you can't pass it onto >1 people. So it can't accelerate out of control.

I know it can't be passed on. There are many differences between obesity and covid- there's no vaccine for obesity, it can be cured by calorific restriction, it's not a virus, etc, etc.

 

What they have in common is overwhelming the NHS [obesity to a much greater extent].

10 hours ago, sibon said:

 

Plus. You really need to have a think about fat shaming. Many people can't help the way they are.  

And many can. Especially if the levels of coercion applied during covid were applied to them.

 

As for fat shaming- I'm not the one who thinks coercion and compulsion should be applied to modify people's behaviour. I'm simply pointing out that those many who did/do think things like compulsory/coerced vaccines and masking and lockdowns are fine for covid, on the grounds that 'covid overwhelms the NHS' and being inconsistent in not applying it to the obese.

 

This is about the 5th time I've explained this- if you can't address the actual point that I'm actually making, then please don't bother replying, I'm not interested in your strawmen.

 

9 hours ago, SheffieldBricky said:

Science

 

 

Enough to repopulate the world though.

 

 

8 hours ago, staninoodle said:

So how will the jabbed and unjabbed get blood transfusions when needed, will blood be channeled into to seperate groups, would a jabbed want a life saving infusion from an unjabbed person? are unjabbed allowed to give blood?

Currently zero restrictions for non-vaccinated [covid] people giving blood. The only restrictions are time ones, for the vaccinated.

 

https://www.transfusionguidelines.org/dsg/bm/guidelines/coronavirus-vaccination

 

8 hours ago, hackey lad said:

The unvaccinated wouldn’t care about being given vaccinated blood.  Hypocritical 

??

7 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Children:

diphtheria x5

hepatitis B x3

Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b) x3

polio x4

tetanus x4

whooping cough (pertussis)x4

MenigitisB x3

MMR x2

'Flu now every year

 

TB jabs were annual in my area when I was young.

The new malaria vaccines need regular boosters.

Travellers and workers abroad may need annual jabs for local diseases.

 

Which one?

You've not answered the question asked [see below]

8 hours ago, fools said:

Your narrative is waning at quite a speed. How many other vaccinations have you had that required 3-4 injections in less than a year.

 

Israel is on 4  ......   highest per capita rates of infection.

 

You need to compare "spin" with "facts"

 

[trastrick 866]

10 hours ago, RJRB said:

I would put drink and drunkenness at least on a par with obesity.Smokers obviously.

Dangerous sports.Drivers.

At this rate we won’t need a health service at all.

A few psychiatrists perhaps.

It's a huge job for the Nanny State, trying to micromanage every individual's,  health, well being, housing, child care, education, transportation, care of the elderly, minimum income level, and a "decent" job at "fair wages".

 

When one offloads all personal responsibility for their own basic needs to "the government",  you need a huge bureaucracy to administer it all.

 

For every child you see in the maternity ward, born with a "right" to  all life's basic needs, another must be born with the "obligation" to provide said needs, and yet another must be born to ensure that the needs and obligations are fairly and justly apportioned.

 

It's a zero sum game. In life there is no "free" lunch.

 

Folks like me who worked all my life, started businesses, employed hundreds, who like me paid taxes to support the system (it is estimated that of every  dollar I earned by my own sweat and blood,  70 cents goes to the government in income taxes, corporate taxes, petrol taxes, sales taxes on everything I buy)

 

So while I'm up at dawn, driving on icy Canadian  roads in blizzards some 4 hours to make a 8 am meeting at a project site, I have the comfort of knowing the the government is my silent partner, taking the majority of my earnings, but not sharing the driving, and the incessant pressure of a lifetime workload.

 

Then to be summoned back to my office, for an IRS audit, where I supply a team of bureaucrats with a warm office, coffee, and put my staff at their beck and call, while they peruse my records, convinced I am criminally hiding income somewhere, somehow during 2 weeks of interrogation. (And being disappointed, lol)

 

Of course, all the time, I'm reading the MSM painting me as a profiteering "rich" Capitalist who should be paying "more of my fair share". The scourge of society.

 

Me a kid from a fatherless family who had his first job in the Cambridge Road chip shop at 8 years old running a potato rumbler, and picking eyes out of the peeled potatoes, who never stopped working until I got tired of being the Left's favorite target.

 

(Cue the violins, lol)

 

I, my companies, my employees paid $millions in taxes to support the very system that demonized me.

 

So I opted out, like many others from the socialist system, now they have to borrow what their ever increasing voracious appetites demand, and dump their selfish unpaid bills on to generations yet unborn, who won't even have a say in how their accumulated and unsustainable spiraling debt was spent, mainly to bribe the electorate with "free" stuff for votes!

 

My rant!  Thank you!

 

Lol

 

 

[melthebell 863]

50 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

All viruses (e.g. flu) affect some people more seriously than others, as an example, my 90 year old Aunt had Covid asymptomatically back in Spring 2020 !

The reason a relatively large number of people are in hospital with Omicron is because literally millions of people have it, it's just the numbers.

Of even more significance, most people testing positive for Omicron in hospital with Omicron are actually in for something else. many did not even know they had Omicron :

 

What’s really going on with Covid deaths data?

Covid deaths are rising sharply in the UK, but an increasing proportion of these are actually due to something else, BBC analysis suggests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60000391

 

 

Is that a lie ?

Have you any proof of that ?

Remembering you accused me of lying and have never provided any proof of it, despite repeated requests.....

I don't care what you think

[trastrick 866]

15 hours ago, The_DADDY said:

Because in my view its appropriate. 

The thing about masks is that they were abused by most folks I saw around me. Old, dilapidated, stuffed in back pockets, and apparently accumulating all manner of bodily fluids. Mostly used for dropping in to the bank, grocery store or some such. Then allowed to ferment on the shelf. Lol

 

I always wondered why suppressionistas never seemed to care or warn about the dangers associated with the proper use and care.

 

Or maybe I missed it, But I'm a news junkie, so I doubt it.

 

Even the politicians, Biden in particular coughed his way through speeches, into his hand yet, lol, then touched his face frequently.

 

I'm sure there were warnings and instructions on government health sites etc, but they seemed to be missing from the general MSM debate, where it seemed to just be that "wearing a mask"  to virtue signal was more important than the correct and careful usage. Cheating was rampant.

 

Social distancing was never seriously observed.

 

To make the sheep comply you need many shepherds. There can never be enough!

 

 

[Annie Bynnol 612]

33 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

 

You've not answered the question asked [see below]

 

Yes I have, but in your eagerness to find fault you  did not finish reading the conversation.

 

The original question was:

"Your narrative is waning at quite a speed. How many other vaccinations have you had that required 3-4 injections in less than a year."

My reply:

"Children:

diphtheria x5

hepatitis B x3

Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b) x3

polio x4

tetanus x4

whooping cough (pertussis)x4

MenigitisB x3

MMR x2

'Flu now every year

 

TB jabs were annual in my area when I was young.

The new malaria vaccines need regular boosters.

Travellers and workers abroad may need annual jabs for local diseases."

 

To which the reply was:

"So the answer to my question was zero, thankyou."

 

My reply:

"This so easy:

diphtheria

hepatitis B

Hib 

polio

tetanus

whooping cough" 

 

To clarify the current English NHS guide is:

Diphtheria, hepatitis B, Hib, polio, tetanus and whooping cough are all given three times in the first months as well as other vaccinations.

 

Before the age of 14, diphtheria will be given five times (x5), hepatitis B x3, Hib x3, polio x4, tetanus x4, whooping cough x4,

MenigitisB x3, MMR x2 and several other individual vaccines. 'Flu is now given every year.

 

There are many treatments which require several vaccinations eg rabies.

[trastrick 866]

10 hours ago, top4718 said:

A good percentage of people had the experimental jab for this reason, coercion at it's finest.

I had the double jab to enable me to travel, otherwise I couldn't have visited my family. That's a form of coercion.

 

I was in perfect health, but after the second jab I never felt quite the same. I seem to permanently have the local "Gripe" (flu) symptoms, that I used to be able shake off twice a year, in a couple of days.

 

Others I know have the same experience. 

 

It may well be Omigodcron, but it's not debilitating. We'll see what develops.

[trastrick 866]

10 hours ago, top4718 said:

Most of those 90% are now useless and many of them got it through coercion not for any fear of a mild illness.

I's say a lot got it for reasons to carry on as near a normal life as was possible, under the strict lockdowns.

 

Travel and seeing friends, family, going for a pint and hassle free shopping. Many "just to be on the safe side".

 

And of course the smarmy virtue signalers.

 

We maybe need some polls on people's personal attitudes, when this is all over,

[trastrick 866]

9 hours ago, hackey lad said:

You don’t want much do you. What next , blood from certain sexes , certain ethnicities? 

First his kids, when he's politely asked you to keep them out of your flame wars, but of course it's your free choice to keep at it.

 

Now you raise the thinly veiled spectre of racism/eugenics?

 

You forget that it's not Daddy's side who is in favor of coercing humans to be injected with experimental drugs, in the Name of The State, or what some politicians believe is "the public good"!

 

Been there, done that!

Edited January 22, 2022 by trastrick

[steve68 66]

11 hours ago, SheffieldBricky said:

Science

 

Enough to repopulate the world though.

 

you'll need plenty of science if he or possibly you  are  repopulating the world given the site you lifted that guy from, very niche 

Edited January 22, 2022 by steve68

[hackey lad 3,972]

10 hours ago, The_DADDY said:

😂 You really are funny. I'm seriously beginning to like you. 

Anyway. You're still wrong 👍

Would you have vaccinated blood or a liver or a kidney from a vaccinated person, if needed ?

[fools 447]

4 hours ago, RJRB said:

Widen your thinking a little to include other medical advances.

No relevance whatsoever to the point being made

 

It seems it's very difficult for some of you to understand the butt of the criticism, and just default to the lazy and disparaging assumption that everyone with a slightly different opinion is anti-vaxx, or anti-medicine, or anti-science. That's obviously not the case.

Edited January 22, 2022 by fools