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[Guest makapaka]

Covid has proper sent you lot mental.

[The_DADDY 3,475]

27 minutes ago, makapaka said:

Covid has proper sent you lot mental.

How so? 

Edited January 19, 2022 by The_DADDY
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[hackey lad 3,979]

1 hour ago, The_DADDY said:

Can anyone watch this video and tell this is right? 

Can anyone put their hand on their heart and say that child deserves to be treated like that? 

This is just sick. 

 Warning.. The video is not easy to watch.....

 

https://twitter.com/prof_freedom/status/1482019804177391625?s=20

 

3 times a week those poor babies in Germany will be subjected to that. 

3 times a week. I'm so upset by this, it's cruel and evil. 

That upsetting that you watched it . That upsetting that you posted it . You are conflicted 

[The_DADDY 3,475]

Just now, hackey lad said:

That upsetting that you watched it . 

Snipped. 

I watched as much as I could. I was too upset to watch it all. 

 

[hackey lad 3,979]

2 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

I watched as much as I could. I was too upset to watch it all. 

 

Done . 

[The_DADDY 3,475]

6 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

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That upsetting that you posted it . You are conflicted 

People need to see it even though it's distressing. I've put a warning on it, people can watch as much as they are able to then make a judgement. Is this right?! 

[steve68 66]

6 hours ago, makapaka said:

Covid has proper sent you lot mental.

You need to be clearer on that, or our expert will change/edit/correct your post for you, to say the vaccine! Now are you sure ?

[Chekhov 488]

Europe : Draconian mask mandates and vaccine passports (both in many countries) :

 

Covid: WHO warns pandemic not over amid Europe case records

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60048390

France reported nearly half a million new daily cases on Tuesday.

For the first time since the start of the pandemic, more than 100,000 new infections were recorded in Germany within 24 hours on Wednesday.

 

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UK : No mask mandate from July to November and not that serious after that, no vaccine passport to December and a bit of a joke of one after that (about to be scrapped anyway)

 

UK could be among the first countries to emerge from Covid pandemic, top scientist says [and the WHO on Monday]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/uk-could-be-first-country-to-emerge-from-pandemic-expert-says.html

The U.K. could be one of the first countries to emerge from the Covid-19 pandemic, according to one leading scientist.
The U.K. was criticized by many for its reluctance to introduce more Covid rules in the face of the omicron variant.
Professor David Heymann of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said that “the U.K is the closest to any country in being out of the pandemic if it isn’t already out of the pandemic and having the disease as endemic.”

 

What is the obvious conclusion ?

[RJRB 688]

That we have yet to arrive at a conclusion?

[Annie Bynnol 612]

14 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

 

 

 

 

What is the obvious conclusion ?

That you should wear a mask when needed and get jabbed plus follow the local advice/requirements.

90% of the UK population over 12.

 

That you should ignore the Conspiracy Theorists on here who will regurgitate what they are fed by the profiteering Americans and their political allies.

 

Remind ourselves that we are in a pandemic with estimates of Global deaths in the range of 12-22 million making Covid nearly 10 times worse than any pandemic since 1920. Nature 18 January 2022

[Chekhov 488]

Trust the experts, "follow the science"

 

‘Wildly incorrect’ Covid modelling bounced Boris Johnson into second lockdown, MPs told
Model predicting 4,000 deaths per day was leaked to the press before it could be challenged, says Steve Baker

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/18/wildly-incorrect-covid-modelling-caused-boris-johnson-bounce/

 

Model predicting 4,000 deaths per day was leaked to the press before it could be challenged, says Steve Baker

Boris Johnson was bounced into the second coronavirus lockdown after a “terrifying” and “wildly incorrect” model warning of 4,000 deaths a day was leaked to the press, MPs have heard.

Speaking at a debate at Westminster Hall on the use of models in the pandemic, Steve Baker, deputy chairman of the Covid recovery group, described how the Prime Minister had contacted him shortly before announcing new restrictions on October 31 2020 asking for advice.

Modelling from Cambridge University and Public Health England (PHE) had suggested that without immediate restrictions there could be 4,000 deaths per day by the end of December.

Mr Baker said that he had told Mr Johnson to challenge the model, and Prof Tim Spector, of King’s College London, and Prof Carl Heneghan, of Oxford University, were called into Downing Street to go over the data.

But by the time the models were shown to be inaccurate, it was too late to stop public calls for restrictions.

Mr Baker said: “By Monday, Carl Heneghan had taken the wheels of those death projections, by which time the Prime Minister had, disgracefully, been bounced using a leak into a lockdown. This is absolutely no way to conduct public policy.

“The reality is the Prime Minister was shown a terrifying model which was subsequently proven to be widely incorrect but he took away freedoms from tens of millions on that basis.

“It is monstrous that millions of people were locked down, effectively under house arrest, their businesses destroyed, their children prevented from getting an education.

“The situation is now perfectly plain that even our most basic liberties can be taken away by the stroke of a pen, if a minister has been shown sufficiently persuasive modelling that tells them there is trouble ahead.”

Mr Baker, the MP for Wycombe, called for the establishment of an Office for Research Integrity within the Cabinet Office to challenge the data coming from modelling.

The Westminster debate was called by Bob Seely, the MP for the Isle of Wight, who argued that the use of the modelling in the pandemic was approaching a national scandal.

Mr Seely warned that the “doomsday public health scenarios” had been used to create a “despicable” and “unforgivable” climate of fear, based on “a sort of glorified guesswork.”

“Never before has so much harm been done to so many, by so few based on so little questionable and potentially flawed data,” he said.

“We had a nervous Government presented with doomsday scenarios which panicked it into a course of profound acting with shocking outcomes.

"I believe the use of modelling is pretty much getting up there for a national scandal."

Mr Seely told MPs that there was a growing body of evidence suggesting that the models were flawed and the wrong assumptions made.

“Why did we think it was in our nation's interest to create a grotesque sense of fear to manipulate behaviour?”, he added.

“Never again should the Government rely on dubious modelling.”

Miriam Cates, the MP for Penistone and Stocksbridge, said far too little attention had been paid to the collateral damage of lockdowns.

“This wasn’t just a paper exercise,” she said. “These models and the weight they have been given has caused serious destruction to lives,

“Who was modelling the outcomes of child abuse, of poverty, of loneliness and despair and fear?”

Responding to the debate, Maggie Throup, the vaccines minister, said that an inquiry into modelling should form part of the official pandemic inquiry and promised that “lessons will be learned”.

But she said the Government did not just rely on models but also looked at what was happening in the real world.

“Modelling is helpful but it must be considered alongside what is happening to real people at home, in schools or in hospitals,” she said.

“Comparisons between past scenarios and what actually happened should be made with caution and we’re comparing apples and pears.”

Edited January 19, 2022 by Chekhov

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1 hour ago, Chekhov said:

 

 

What is the obvious conclusion ?

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