Jack Grey 1,602 #4165 Posted January 15, 2022 22 minutes ago, melthebell said: its still happening, people are still dying, people are still being hospitalised, a little bit of empathy wouldnt go amiss But people have died and been hospitalised for a very, very, very long time before Covid came along Youre empathic towards the 1% of people who get seriously ill from Covid and im empathic towards the 99% of the people who are not sick from Covid The 1% cannot stop the 99% from carrying on as normal Especially now we have an effective vaccine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell 862 #4166 Posted January 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jack Grey said: But people have died and been hospitalised for a very, very, very long time before Covid came along Youre empathic towards the 1% of people who get seriously ill from Covid and im empathic towards the 99% of the people who are not sick from Covid The 1% cannot stop the 99% from carrying on as normal Especially now we have an effective vaccine which is nothing at all to do with what you originally quoted me saying, i was talking about footballers, even if the virus is "milder" how do we know it doesnt affect footballers bodies when they are doing highly strenuous tasks, we know viruses do cause myocarditis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka #4167 Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Grey said: But people have died and been hospitalised for a very, very, very long time before Covid came along Youre empathic towards the 1% of people who get seriously ill from Covid and im empathic towards the 99% of the people who are not sick from Covid The 1% cannot stop the 99% from carrying on as normal Especially now we have an effective vaccine Agree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB 688 #4168 Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Chekhov said: That is totally wrong, even for people over 80. In my Mother in Law's care home a high 38% died, but 62% survived. You should not be saying stuff like that because you are spreading unnecessary fear. It was wildly inaccurate even before Omicron, but it's even less accurate now Covid is significantly milder. The stats below are before Omicron, i.e. the more deadly variant of Covid : But it [are people dying of or with Covid] is even more important now that we have a vary infectious but much milder strain of Covid. But it was always a matter of debate i.e. morbidity rates over and above the average. It is not a revelation.Identification of Omicron is barely 2 months past,and whilst it has become more prevalent it did not immediately dispel Delta . So your immediate reaction to the news from South Africa was precipitate. Subsequently ,and following due diligence it seems to be influencing policy on restrictions which is welcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB 688 #4169 Posted January 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Grey said: We're not in the middle of a pandemic The pandemic is over....has been since last summer Covid is now purely political By any definition Omicron is a pandemic. How severe it is is another question Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jack Grey 1,602 #4170 Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, RJRB said: By any definition Omicron is a pandemic. How severe it is is another question But then surely by definition cold & flu is a pandemic We dont implement emergency powers and force people to isolate for those do we? And the current restrictions in Scotland & Wales have forced business to close Edited January 15, 2022 by Jack Grey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B 1,401 #4171 Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Jack Grey said: But people have died and been hospitalised for a very, very, very long time before Covid came along Youre empathic towards the 1% of people who get seriously ill from Covid and im empathic towards the 99% of the people who are not sick from Covid The 1% cannot stop the 99% from carrying on as normal Especially now we have an effective vaccine I agree too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB 688 #4172 Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jack Grey said: But then surely by definition cold & flu is a pandemic We dont implement emergency powers and force people to isolate for those do we? And the current restrictions in Scotland & Wales have forced business to close Correct as regards Flu.Colds are more endemic Edited January 15, 2022 by RJRB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
The_DADDY 3,461 #4173 Posted January 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Norbert said: Well enough to be out shopping, taking things steady. That's good 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chekhov 488 #4174 Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Norbert said: I said in my experience. See my signature. TBH I think you should have put that in the sentence. What we do not want to do it frighten people unnecessarily (like some SF mods did back in April 2020 by deleting posts saying kids were at pretty much zero risk from Covid.....). 4 hours ago, Jack Grey said: We're not in the middle of a pandemic The pandemic is over....has been since last summer Covid is now purely political Spot on. If they were testing million of people a week for Flu (including those displaying no symptoms*) the death stats for flu would be through the roof. * In fact, we have never ever done this before in history..... 3 hours ago, Jack Grey said: But people have died and been hospitalised for a very, very, very long time before Covid came along You're empathic towards the 1% of people who get seriously ill from Covid and I'm empathic towards the 99% of the people who are not sick from Covid The 1% cannot stop the 99% from carrying on as normal Especially now we have an effective vaccine Brilliantly put. Edited January 15, 2022 by Chekhov Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chekhov 488 #4175 Posted January 15, 2022 4 hours ago, melthebell said: its still happening, people are still dying, people are still being hospitalised, a little bit of empathy wouldnt go amiss I would love to know how many people are dying OF Covid at the moment. But, to a certain extent, it's irrelevant anyway because I cannot believe the suppression methods (which are mild compared to Spring 2020 and we have a far more infectious Covid now) currently employed are having any significant effect at all. All they are doing is giving ill informed people "confidence", and ****ing off millions of others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Chekhov 488 #4176 Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, RJRB said: But it was always a matter of debate i.e. morbidity rates over and above the average. It is not a revelation.Identification of Omicron is barely 2 months past,and whilst it has become more prevalent it did not immediately dispel Delta . So your immediate reaction to the news from South Africa was precipitate. Subsequently ,and following due diligence it seems to be influencing policy on restrictions which is welcome. The reaction from so many "experts", on the other hand, was over hasty, bordering on scaremongering : ‘No evidence’ Omicron milder than Delta, British researchers say Imperial College London study also finds Omicron five times more likely to cause reinfections, but some experts say there are still not sufficient data to draw conclusions. Scientists warn Omicron poses 'a major, imminent threat to public health British researchers say they have found “no evidence” that the Omicron coronavirus variant is milder than Delta, casting doubt on the cautious optimism of some experts that the new strain may not be as virulent and not overwhelm healthcare systems. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/18/no-evidence-omicron-milder-than-delta-british-researchers-say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...