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New thread. Please post anything Coronavirus related here, we don't need 6 different threads. 

 

Few points I want to make as I'm currently receiving a lot of reports daily regarding users comments relating to this:

 

- I know it is an emotive topic, but please be respectful to other users. No name calling, insulting etc. People are allowed different opinions and debate is encouraged but there is no need for some of the comments I have had to remove previously.

- If you are going to post information, not an opinion, please back this up with your source. 

 

 

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(Moved from Coronavirus part 2)

 

Other than Boris Johnson wanting to keep last year's Downing St "Lockdown" party off the front pages of the papers, what possible reason can there be for the latest increase in suppression measures ?

Note how the death rate from Covid has been dropping for over four weeks.

The figures are for people who have died from whatever cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test.

To put the graphic below into context, on average, about 1700 people die every day in the UK.

 

277020191_UKdeathsto8Dec21800WL1.jpg.643

 

And it is not Omicron because has yet even died of Omicron (anywhere in the world so far) and the WHO says this, and Dr Anthony Fauci this  :

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59573037

 

But the WHO's Dr Mike Ryan said there was no sign Omicron would be better at evading vaccines than other variants.

"We have highly effective vaccines that have proved effective against all the variants so far, in terms of severe disease and hospitalisation, and there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be so" for Omicron, Dr Ryan, the WHO's emergencies director, told AFP news agency.

He said initial data suggested Omicron did not make people sicker than the Delta and other strains. "If anything, the direction is towards less severity," he said. [The vaccines work well at preventing serious illness with all known variants]

 

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious diseases expert, said early evidence suggests Omicron could be more transmissible but less severe.

Edited by Chekhov

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21 minutes ago, Chekhov said:

(Moved from Coronavirus part 2)

 

Other than Boris Johnson wanting to keep last year's Downing St "Lockdown" party off the front pages of the papers, what possible reason can there be for the latest increase in suppression measures ?

Note how the death rate from Covid has been dropping for over four weeks.

The figures are for people who have died from whatever cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test.

To put the graphic below into context, on average, about 1700 people die every day in the UK.

 

277020191_UKdeathsto8Dec21800WL1.jpg.643

 

And it is not Omicron because has yet even died of Omicron (anywhere in the world so far) and the WHO says this, and Dr Anthony Fauci this  :

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59573037

 

But the WHO's Dr Mike Ryan said there was no sign Omicron would be better at evading vaccines than other variants.

"We have highly effective vaccines that have proved effective against all the variants so far, in terms of severe disease and hospitalisation, and there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be so" for Omicron, Dr Ryan, the WHO's emergencies director, told AFP news agency.

He said initial data suggested Omicron did not make people sicker than the Delta and other strains. "If anything, the direction is towards less severity," he said. [The vaccines work well at preventing serious illness with all known variants]

 

Dr Anthony Fauci, the top US infectious diseases expert, said early evidence suggests Omicron could be more transmissible but less severe.

Exactly. Doesn't make sense, does it.

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1 minute ago, Anna B said:

Exactly. Doesn't make sense, does it.

Some are saying, minor tweaks to prevent 1000 a day in hospital for it, worth it? Protect the NHS?

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7 minutes ago, melthebell said:

Some are saying, minor tweaks to prevent 1000 a day in hospital for it, worth it? Protect the NHS?

Better to be safe than sorry 

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Keep it simple.

Deaths and hospitalisation have been much reduced since the advent of the vaccines,so unless you have a fact based reason to think that the vaccine itself is likely to be harmful get it done.

Covid patients admitted to hospital are likely to take up a  hospital bed for weeks at the expense of others.

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Boris is under pressure from his cronies to force people to have Covid ID Passports - so they can sell them and make profits from them and associated technologies.  They simply hype up unfounded worries, simply for profit.  These "Passports" will simply morph into the ID cards that tyhe public have repeatedly rejected in the past. 

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1 hour ago, Thirsty Relic said:

Boris is under pressure from his cronies to force people to have Covid ID Passports - so they can sell them and make profits from them and associated technologies.  They simply hype up unfounded worries, simply for profit.  These "Passports" will simply morph into the ID cards that tyhe public have repeatedly rejected in the past. 

That would be true.......but it's not. There's currently a Tory rebellion over the measures, so a lot haven't got their finger in those pies, doesnt mean some don't, but conspiracy? I don't think so

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The NHS has become a religious cult

 

Bow down to your new masters

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4 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Better to be safe than sorry 

 

As a generalisation that's nonsense.

 

It is actually listed as a fallacy-

"

144. The Worst-Case Fallacy (also, "Just in case;" "We can't afford to take chances;" "An abundance of caution;" "Better Safe than Sorry;" "Better to prevent than to lament."): A pessimistic fallacy by which one’s reasoning is based on an improbable, far-fetched or even completely imaginary worst-case scenario rather than on reality. This plays on pathos (fear) rather than reason, and is often politically motivated. E.g., "What if armed terrorists were to attack your county grain elevator tomorrow morning at dawn? Are you ready to fight back?  Better stock up on assault rifles and ammunition today, just in case!"  See also Scare Tactics. The opposite of this is the Positive Thinking Fallacy."

 

https://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

 

The part in bold being especially pertinant when it is used in connection with covid, I feel

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5 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Better to be safe than sorry 

NO !

If you took that to its logical conclusion you would never do anything, particularly with  a virus which will obviously keep mutating. All this stuff about we'll vaccinated the world and stop Covid is so much ******.

Tell you what, you can stay at home behind the sofa, but I want to live my life because, as far as we know, we only get one and I do not want to waste any of mine thanks very much.

 

45 minutes ago, onewheeldave said:

 

As a generalisation that's nonsense.

 

It is actually listed as a fallacy-

"

144. The Worst-Case Fallacy (also, "Just in case;" "We can't afford to take chances;" "An abundance of caution;" "Better Safe than Sorry;" "Better to prevent than to lament."): A pessimistic fallacy by which one’s reasoning is based on an improbable, far-fetched or even completely imaginary worst-case scenario rather than on reality. This plays on pathos (fear) rather than reason, and is often politically motivated. E.g., "What if armed terrorists were to attack your county grain elevator tomorrow morning at dawn? Are you ready to fight back?  Better stock up on assault rifles and ammunition today, just in case!"  See also Scare Tactics. The opposite of this is the Positive Thinking Fallacy."

 

https://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

 

The part in bold being especially pertinent when it is used in connection with covid, I feel

Absolutely spot on.

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