Can Anyone Help With This?

[tinfoilhat 11]

On 26/11/2021 at 13:06, Anna B said:

She's phoned several people including social care in the Town where her husband is, but people aren't getting back to her. It's now the weekend and things seem to close down over the weekend. She's been trying to get a face to face phone call through to him but struggles with tech. They say they'll help but he's asleep and they will do it when he's awake but then theyv'e forgotten. Say they're understaffed as some of the staff are off with covid.

Find another home. There's no law he has to stay there. Get him assessed from the new home and if he's sufficiently mobile, stick him in a cab and take him there - and pick one closer, why two hours away?

 

It's not a prison, she can take him out. And ring the CQC.

[Anna B 1,414]

10 minutes ago, tinfoilhat said:

Find another home. There's no law he has to stay thee. Get him assessed from the new home and if he's sufficiently mobile, stick him in a cab and take him there - and pick one closer, why two hours away?

 

It's not a prison, she can take him out. And ring the CQC.

There is actually. You can't just take someone out of a home, you have to go through the right channels and they can take forever. She now has an advocate working for her, and even she isn't able to get into the home. The lady's husband now has covid so wouldn't be accepted in many places, funding has to be sorted out etc etc etc. Besides which she can't even physically get into the home  which is kept locked.

Remember last year that woman who took her mother out of her care home without permission  and ended up in jail for her trouble?

[tinfoilhat 11]

11 minutes ago, Anna B said:

There is actually. You can't just take someone out of a home, you have to go through the right channels and they can take forever. She now has an advocate working for her, and even she isn't able to get into the home. The lady's husband now has covid so wouldn't be accepted in many places, funding has to be sorted out etc etc etc. Besides which she can't even physically get into the home  which is kept locked.

Remember last year that woman who took her mother out of her care home without permission  and ended up in jail for her trouble?

Me and my mum shifted my dad without permission or blessing or anything. Social services were not involved - they didn't really care.  He'd been assessed by the new home during yet another hospital stay and we shifted him with a mobility taxi. 

 

The home he's in has zero say in this.  Covid throws a spanner in the works, and there's an argument there must be a place ready for him, but I reiterate, it's not a prison (unless he's sectioned). 

 

Ring round other homes and ask to speak to a manager there, they'll have a more up to date idea on how things are working now and if they'd take him.

[alchresearch 214]

17 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Me and my mum shifted my dad without permission or blessing or anything. Social services were not involved - they didn't really care.  He'd been assessed by the new home during yet another hospital stay and we shifted him with a mobility taxi. 

 

Same with my nan when she was in a terrible home.

[Waldo 96]

Not sure it this would be of any immediate help (with sounds like she needs), but I'm wondering if there's any possibility the media would get involved with this story? This kind of thing needs exposure, and people need to be aware of what can happen when their loved ones go in to these places.

[Anna B 1,414]

23 hours ago, tinfoilhat said:

Me and my mum shifted my dad without permission or blessing or anything. Social services were not involved - they didn't really care.  He'd been assessed by the new home during yet another hospital stay and we shifted him with a mobility taxi. 

 

The home he's in has zero say in this.  Covid throws a spanner in the works, and there's an argument there must be a place ready for him, but I reiterate, it's not a prison (unless he's sectioned). 

 

Ring round other homes and ask to speak to a manager there, they'll have a more up to date idea on how things are working now and if they'd take him.

It isn't a care home, it's a specialist hospital. The nearest place offering the same/similar treatments is Barnsley which has no available places. He's been waiting over 7 months for a place. However he isn't getting the treatment he needs anyway. It is excruciatingly expensive but funded by the Care Commisioning Group as part of continuing care plan. The CCG were supposed to be at a recent meeting to discuss the issues but didn't turn up. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Anna B

[ECCOnoob 1,040]

39 minutes ago, Anna B said:

It isn't a care home, it's a specialist hospital. The nearest place offering the same/similar treatments is Barnsley which has no available places. He's been waiting over 7 months for a place. However he isn't getting the treatment he needs anyway. It is excruciatingly expensive but funded by the Care Commisioning Group as part of continuing care plan. The CCG were supposed to be at a recent meeting to discuss the issues but didn't turn up. 

I feel crucial question which is not being properly addressed is what exactly is this care facility. 

 

You say in your first post that your friend's argument is that if it looks like a care home..... acts like a care home etc.....   but the Hospital itself is saying they are not a care home and therefore have different rules regarding visitation and access rights.

 

Now you are clarifying in this post that it is in fact a specialist hospital. The harsh fact, putting aside the emotive interest of your friend and obvious distress they are suffering,  is on this occasion the hospital might be in the right.

 

The facility may well have their own rights, controls and legal duties to protect their patients and legitimate grounds to be denying access at this time. 

 

 We are clearly not getting the full facts on here nor would I expect you to disclose someone's personal information- but it does make it very difficult for people to give any sort of  genuine advice when they don't know the circumstances and full context.

 

I really feel your friend needs to be seeking some form of proper independent advice  Getting random uncorroborated suggestions on the internet for something like this could cause more harm than good. Even more so when we don't know the full issues.

 

[tinfoilhat 11]

4 hours ago, Anna B said:

It isn't a care home, it's a specialist hospital. The nearest place offering the same/similar treatments is Barnsley which has no available places. He's been waiting over 7 months for a place. However he isn't getting the treatment he needs anyway. It is excruciatingly expensive but funded by the Care Commisioning Group as part of continuing care plan. The CCG were supposed to be at a recent meeting to discuss the issues but didn't turn up. 

That might be a different thing altogether - I know some dementia sufferers end up in secure hospitals because they can violent - I'm not saying its the case here, I just know it happens. If it's a secure hospital - for whatever reason - maybe get somebody else to assess his needs?

 

Covid - again - makes things harder. I wish you all best getting it sorted, it must be terrible for all concerned.

[Anna B 1,414]

Thankyou all for your replies. 

It's still a very difficult situation, which as tinfoilhat says, is being made impossibly worse by Covid.

And a s ECConoob mentions it would be indiscreet to go into more detail on a public forum. 

 

I don't know how, if or when it's going to be resolved, but I will let you know what happens if I can.

Thankyou all again.

[S35_2o21 32]

16 hours ago, Anna B said:

It isn't a care home, it's a specialist hospital. The nearest place offering the same/similar treatments is Barnsley which has no available places. He's been waiting over 7 months for a place. However he isn't getting the treatment he needs anyway. It is excruciatingly expensive but funded by the Care Commisioning Group as part of continuing care plan. The CCG were supposed to be at a recent meeting to discuss the issues but didn't turn up. 

It sounds a really complex situation. As the CCG are the Commissioners, and presumably have a contract with the Care Home, these issues need flagging up with them. Hopefully the meeting will be rescheduled soon, and the CCG can work with your friend and other advocates on this. 

 

I know this doesn't help your friend but I think there is a lack of suitable care homes that can support people with complex needs. That means that there is a lack of choice and other options. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by S35_2o21