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23 hours ago, sheffbag said:

Altus,  Your source just loops me back to the first page of the thread but if you are talking about when they lowered the contribution from 18.55% to 14.% for that period  then that contribution is far higher than any other pension scheme at that time.

Sorry the link screwed up. The correct one is here.

 

Yes , I was talking about when they reduced the contribution to 14%. If someone signs up to a job with lower wages than other jobs but with a better pension it's not reasonable to later say "your pension is better than other people's and that's justification for cutting it". The employers are hardly going to make payments to compensate for 30+ years of lower wages are they?

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1 hour ago, Dannyno said:

It's worth looking at the government's list of shortage occupations (for visa purposes, but relevant here).

 

It includes medicine, dentistry and the others you mention, but it also includes:

 

Archaeologists

IT business analysts and system designers

Programmers and software developers

Web designers

Cyber security specialists

Architects

Artists

Ballet dancers

Musicians

Arts officers and directors

Graphics designers

Care workers

 

All except I guess ballet dancing are courses which are taught at universities. 

 

There are teaching shortages too, and teaching is taught at universities - the usual teaching specialisms we're short of are of course in STEM subjects, but there are also shortages in modern languages and RE.   

 

I don't dispute this list except perhaps 1 or2. I also accept your final paragraph.

What is needed is a list of the other subjects that are  offered by various universities

I have heard a suggestion that people who study "necessary" subjects should not pay tuition fees if they practice their professions for 5 years in this country.

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1 hour ago, harvey19 said:

I don't dispute this list except perhaps 1 or2. I also accept your final paragraph.

What is needed is a list of the other subjects that are  offered by various universities

I have heard a suggestion that people who study "necessary" subjects should not pay tuition fees if they practice their professions for 5 years in this country.

It's the government's list, remember, I didn't make it up.

 

It also ought to be pointed out that your idea that we should "drop the courses which do not lead to careers in necessary areas of skill shortages" would rapidly create shortages in the sectors fed by the "dropped" courses.

 

Clearly those specialisms where there are shortages need to be supported, but that doesn't mean that you can do without the specialisms where there currently aren't shortages.   "Necessary" subjects aren't only the subjects where there is currently a crisis.   For example, there doesn't appear to be a shortage of lawyers at the moment, but that doesn't mean it would be sensible to discourage people from becoming lawyers (no jokes please).   I would also argue it's a good thing to ensure that education remains broad-based rather than excessively narrow, because everyone benefits from different specialists working together - biologists and philosophers, for example.

 

If you want to find out what Sheffield University teaches at undergraduate level, just look at the list:

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/2022

 

But you can find courses anywhere here:  https://digital.ucas.com/search

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Sheffield is an highly rated red brick university, my daughter read mathematics there.

 

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Won't they get a high state pension anyway as their NI contributions will be high?

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3 hours ago, LovePotion said:

Won't they get a high state pension anyway as their NI contributions will be high?

Perhaps you should enroll on an economics course

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On 26/10/2021 at 14:52, Dannyno said:

It's worth looking at the government's list of shortage occupations (for visa purposes, but relevant here).

 

It includes medicine, dentistry and the others you mention, but it also includes:

 

Archaeologists

IT business analysts and system designers

Programmers and software developers

Web designers

Cyber security specialists

Architects

Artists

Ballet dancers

Musicians

Arts officers and directors

Graphics designers

Care workers

 

All except I guess ballet dancing are courses which are taught at universities. 

 

There are teaching shortages too, and teaching is taught at universities - the usual teaching specialisms we're short of are of course in STEM subjects, but there are also shortages in modern languages and RE.   

 

Never trust the University management, they closed down, with little warning,  an excellent and well respected Archaeology Dept

 

Those who forget the past.............

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