Robert Winston On Qt

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On 17/10/2021 at 15:34, HumbleNarrator said:

The problems start when the self righteous ones amongst the transgender community get all uppity when someone "miss-gender's" them. People are not mind readers, how are people to know what gender a stranger identifies as?? 

The ones I've seen most angry, venomous and downright vile are those who attack women who don't want someone with a penis in their changing rooms, or sleeping in same-sex dorms with their daughters.   They immediately get labelled TERFs and suffer all manner of abuse.

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1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

The ones I've seen most angry, venomous and downright vile are those who attack women who don't want someone with a penis in their changing rooms, or sleeping in same-sex dorms with their daughters.   They immediately get labelled TERFs and suffer all manner of abuse.

Mainstream media won't entertain the snags that the LGBT agenda creates; it's presented as purely positive, but some lesbian women are getting hassle from SOME, not all, I have to stress - some, in the LGBT community over their choice of not wanting to enter into relationships with Transwomen,  even if they no longer possess a penis, preferring instead to be with "CIS" women. I believe the term for this is the "cotton ceiling." Someone on the This Morning programme attempted to talk about this but was shut down pretty quickly.

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5 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

Mainstream media won't entertain the snags that the LGBT agenda creates; it's presented as purely positive, but some lesbian women are getting hassle from SOME, not all, I have to stress - some, in the LGBT community over their choice of not wanting to enter into relationships with Transwomen,  even if they no longer possess a penis, preferring instead to be with "CIS" women. I believe the term for this is the "cotton ceiling." Someone on the This Morning programme attempted to talk about this but was shut down pretty quickly.

I suggest you try The Telegraph then.

There's enough unpleasantness in that newspaper against gay men especially; or indeed against any facet of modern life that doesn't resemble the archetypal middle class lifestyle 1950s.

Ooh don't forget Richard Littlejohn, no idea if he's still in the employ of the Daily Mail. The Coroner at the inquest of primary school teacher Lucy Meadows singled out the press for the "character assassination" she received her resulting in her suicide. 

 

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Surely a major issues is transgender women competing against women in sports where they have an obvious advantage.  

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I suggest you try The Telegraph then.

There's enough unpleasantness in that newspaper against gay men especially; or indeed against any facet of modern life that doesn't resemble the archetypal middle class lifestyle 1950s.

Ooh don't forget Richard Littlejohn, no idea if he's still in the employ of the Daily Mail. The Coroner at the inquest of primary school teacher Lucy Meadows singled out the press for the "character assassination" she received her resulting in her suicide. 

MisterM - where was the Daily Mail mentioned? HumbleNarrator said that this was discussed on 'This Morning' programme.  He is correct in that people are being 'shut down' when there are discussions about trans people (usually trans women).

 

The mystery is why this lobby group has become so powerful in view of the fact that gender dysphoria affects such a tiny number of human beings. Most people will never encounters a trans person. Their ideology has pervaded society right to the top, even to the extent of police arresting folk for misgendering someone.  In Scotland the word 'mother' has been axed from government policies - link.  This particular piece of legislation was brought about by Stonewall who want documents to be gender neutral.  More information about Stonewall on BBC podcast 'Nolan Investigates'. 

 

Some trans people are cognisant of the fact that whatever modifications are made to the body they remain essentially the sex they were born as ie not 'assigned',  Miranda Yardley and Debbie Hayton being two -  link.   

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10 hours ago, Ms Macbeth said:

Surely a major issues is transgender women competing against women in sports where they have an obvious advantage.  

It is an issue to the rational and reasonable amongst us, but you're -phobic for raising the question in other circles.

 

There is quitely clearly a biological difference between the sexes and simply to 'identify'as a woman to compete in women's sport is unfair in most case and, in some, dangerous for their opponents.

 

Laurel Hubbard (New Zealand weightlifter) was promoted as the figurehead for trans-athletes not having an advantage because she failed to win a medal at this years olympics. However, the fact that he/she was much, much older than the other female competitors was ignored by many as a factor. 

 

Then, there's the case of Fallon Fox (trans mma fighter) who took delight in smashing a female opponent's skull.

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13 hours ago, Ms Macbeth said:

Surely a major issues is transgender women competing against women in sports where they have an obvious advantage.  

Yep, Sharon Davies has been attacked for discussing this.

 

Sharron Davies reported over transgender athlete comments

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/local-news/sharron-davies-reported-over-transgender-3051404

 

Guardian columnist and socialist Owen Jones appeared to label her a 'transphobe'.

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4 hours ago, Jomie said:

MisterM - where was the Daily Mail mentioned? HumbleNarrator said that this was discussed on 'This Morning' programme.  He is correct in that people are being 'shut down' when there are discussions about trans people (usually trans women).

 

The mystery is why this lobby group has become so powerful in view of the fact that gender dysphoria affects such a tiny number of human beings. Most people will never encounters a trans person. Their ideology has pervaded society right to the top, even to the extent of police arresting folk for misgendering someone.  In Scotland the word 'mother' has been axed from government policies - link.  This particular piece of legislation was brought about by Stonewall who want documents to be gender neutral.  More information about Stonewall on BBC podcast 'Nolan Investigates'. 

 

Some trans people are cognisant of the fact that whatever modifications are made to the body they remain essentially the sex they were born as ie not 'assigned',  Miranda Yardley and Debbie Hayton being two -  link.   

I was responding to HumbleNarrator's complaint that debate in mainstream media won't entertain the 'snags' the the LGBT community itself creates. As some of the biggest organs of Britain's mainstream media, I was pointing out the 'snags' in those papers themselves.

The level of deaths by suicides of members of the trans community suggests that this is hardly a pampered group who enjoy  great power is society.

 

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I was responding to HumbleNarrator's complaint that debate in mainstream media won't entertain the 'snags' the the LGBT community itself creates. As some of the biggest organs of Britain's mainstream media, I was pointing out the 'snags' in those papers themselves.

The level of deaths by suicides of members of the trans community suggests that this is hardly a pampered group who enjoy  great power is society.

 

Well, like many other people you doubtless read the news that speaks to your condition and confirms your view point. 
 

Any death by suicide is regrettable. Clearly work needs to be done to prevent this and we all need to be sensitive to the struggles that trans people face.  However, forcing your opinions on others, intimidating people and shutting down opposing views is not going to achieve anything.  

The level of intimidation on public figures who speak out is dreadful. JK Rowling is one. People are being dismissed from their jobs because they believe that we cannot change biological sex. If interested, look up Maya Forstater and more recently, Professor Kathleen Stock. Both of them hounded out of their jobs. Their crime? A belief in biological sex (now forbidden).

 

It’s regrettable that someone of the stature of Professor Lord Winston has to preface his learned opinions with warnings about editing the programme and hate mail that he knew he would receive following the programme.  
 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Jomie said:

 

Well, like many other people you doubtless read the news that speaks to your condition and confirms your view point. 
 

Any death by suicide is regrettable. Clearly work needs to be done to prevent this and we all need to be sensitive to the struggles that trans people face.  However, forcing your opinions on others, intimidating people and shutting down opposing views is not going to achieve anything.  

The level of intimidation on public figures who speak out is dreadful. JK Rowling is one. People are being dismissed from their jobs because they believe that we cannot change biological sex. If interested, look up Maya Forstater and more recently, Professor Kathleen Stock. Both of them hounded out of their jobs. Their crime? A belief in biological sex (now forbidden).

 

It’s regrettable that someone of the stature of Professor Lord Winston has to preface his learned opinions with warnings about editing the programme and hate mail that he knew he would receive following the programme.  
 

 

 

How is highlighting the terrible lives that many trans people face intimidating people or forcing my opinion on them?  Ensuring the dignity and peace of mind of trans people is what any decent person would want.

I can only relate to this issue as a gay man, and as such for many years whenever gay people or their representatives - be it Stonewall, Albert Kennedy Trust or the many local charities tried to advance the cause of gay people they faced push back from people, particularly in the press, of being 'shouted down by the PC brigade', and of 'not being able to say things anymore' (usually some nasty homophobic comment).

 

I'm all in favour of people speaking their mind, and although I didn't hear Prof Winston's comments, I can't imagine they'd be bigoted or tabloidesque. I don't agree with those who stifle debate or intimidate people, and although I've not followed the trans debate over recent years; I wonder how much the hate being directed at those who speak out against trans people, is part of how much hate has been directed at trans people over the years?

 

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How is highlighting the terrible lives that many trans people face intimidating people or forcing my opinion on them?  Ensuring the dignity and peace of mind of trans people is what any decent person would want.

There is no mention in that post of you personally intimidating or forcing your opinion on anyone.  It’s understandable that you should highlight the plight of trans people as you see it, based on your own experience of being a gay man. You say that you haven’t followed the trans debate.  In modern parlance it has become ‘toxic’, mostly at the behest of male to female transitioners.  Trans people need dignity and peace of mind, just as natal women do. 

Edited October 20, 2021 by Jomie