El Cid   214 #169 Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Tony said: Pfft, why ever not? Labour have been living off Thatcher since 1971. Like water off a ducks back to true Tories. The Liberal Democrats were to the left of Labour in the days of Tony Blair. Not sure where they are now. Most MPs are well educated university graduates. So what separates them? Getting back to the thread title, why are some 'scum' but not others? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #170 Posted October 8, 2021 19 hours ago, El Cid said: Should a party or a leader be judged on what happened 20 years ago? Starmer is called Tory-lite and a Blairite. The party changed direction over 20 years ago and finally became electable - but some Labour supporters can't get over that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
PRESLEY   1,223 #171 Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, alchresearch said: Starmer is called Tory-lite and a Blairite. The party changed direction over 20 years ago and finally became electable - but some Labour supporters can't get over that. Blair cleaned up thatchers and Majors mess and looks like Starmer will have to clean up Johnsons mess. Edited October 8, 2021 by PRESLEY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jeffrey Shaw   90 #172 Posted October 10, 2021 Alternative reading: isn't it always the Conservatives who have to clean up Labour's profligacy and financial incompetence? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Carbuncle   0 #173 Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeffrey Shaw said: Alternative reading: isn't it always the Conservatives who have to clean up Labour's profligacy and financial incompetence? No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   214 #174 Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, West 77 said: Yes apparently it's a tradition for an out going Chancellor to leave the incoming Chancellor a good luck message. Regarding the note left by the Labour fool in 2010 it led to David Cameron winning a majority in the 2015 General Election because he showed everyone he met the note which made the Labour party unelectable. It was a foolish note to leave, the Tory Chancellor will not be so stupid. But if he were honest, the situation will be much worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Caswall   7 #175 Posted October 11, 2021 On 08/10/2021 at 12:51, PRESLEY said: Blair cleaned up thatchers and Majors mess and looks like Starmer will have to clean up Johnsons mess. So taking over a strong economy and handing over to the next government a note saying 'there is no money' was clearing up mess? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Mister M Â Â 1,608 #176 Posted October 11, 2021 8 hours ago, El Cid said: It was a foolish note to leave, the Tory Chancellor will not be so stupid. But if he were honest, the situation will be much worse. Absolutely - though the Sun, Express and all the others will be doing everything possible to convince their readers otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
nightrider   13 #177 Posted October 12, 2021 On 07/10/2021 at 12:45, alchresearch said: Today's Rayner Rant is pretty good. She's having a go at the Tories giving their donor "mates" (her words) contracts.  Thank goodness there's no hypocrisy there......  A businessman who benefited from a lucrative contract with the government for vaccines - and was later ennobled by Tony Blair - has donated half a million pounds to Labour https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2004/aug/24/partyfunding.uk   2011.  Ranyer was first elected in 2014 and only recently became deputy leader. So not really hypocritical, no. Unless the same happens on her watch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
El Cid   214 #178 Posted October 15, 2021 Tory MP James Gray apologises for joke about sending 'bomb' to Labour MP Anneliese Dodds.  https://www.thenational.scot/news/19606070.tory-mp-james-gray-apologises-joke-sending-bomb-labour-mp/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jeffrey Shaw   90 #179 Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) All the above posts pre-date Friday's tragic event. Maybe politicians might now temper their outbursts and language? Maybe then there'd be fewer attacks. Edited October 18, 2021 by Jeffrey Shaw Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Tony   10 #180 Posted October 20, 2021 If only @Jeffrey Shaw, if only. Give it two weeks max before the opposition benches are back at it and then claiming victim status when it's in their own face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...