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8 hours ago, Anna B said:

The last Labour leader galvanised the party and caused the biggest increase in party membership ever. He was happy to work with right wing Labour and all comers to unite the party and benefit the country.

 

Starmer on the other hand has gone to great lengths to exterminate all the socialist elements in a socialist party!

You want the Tories removed from power and replaced with Labour but have concerns about the leader? 

 

When voting in the next general election will you still vote Labour or abstain because of the leadership which could help the Tories into power?

 

 

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8 hours ago, El Cid said:

That was caused by Brexit and our poor democracy.

Indeed Brexit defined the last election which Labour could have been much clearer on that might have got them over the line. Yes we have an poor democracy but we have a powerful right wing media who know how to play the game and get people to vote against their own interest and it works.

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On 12/09/2021 at 11:50, Anna B said:

The last Labour leader galvanised the party and caused the biggest increase in party membership ever. He was happy to work with right wing Labour and all comers to unite the party and benefit the country.

 

Starmer on the other hand has gone to great lengths to exterminate all the socialist elements in a socialist party!

You really do love him dont you

 

Galvanised the party? did he? results don't show that and the mass removal of his shadow cabinet dont really show that

Increased the party membership yet got the biggest hammering in modern times in the election. If all those new members joined because of Corbyn and he"galvanised the party" then ........why didnt they vote for him? 

 

I thought they were the Labour party not the socialist party? 

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On 11/09/2021 at 15:13, Kidorry said:

A politician telling the truth would not go amiss.

The grey suited ones would never have that.

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On 12/09/2021 at 10:14, GabrielC said:

You want a Labour government but not Starmer ? 

 

The last Labour leader handed his party there biggest election defeat in years perhaps people don't want the Labour of old but prefer something more in tune with their thinking. 

 

On 12/09/2021 at 11:50, El Cid said:

That was caused by Brexit and our poor democracy.

One of the main reasons the Labour party suffered such a massive defeat was because their party leadership didn't respect democracy and wanted to cheat the electorate out of their democratic choice to leave the EU. Our democracy most certainly isn't poor but our elected MPs during the time of the rogue parliament were absolutely poor in respecting democracy.

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

 

One of the main reasons the Labour party suffered such a massive defeat was because their party leadership didn't respect democracy and wanted to cheat the electorate out of their democratic choice to leave the EU. Our democracy most certainly isn't poor but our elected MPs during the time of the rogue parliament were absolutely poor in respecting democracy.

The only things rogue in parliament at that time were May's government's attempt to bypass the sovereignty of parliament over article 50 and Johnson's government's attempt to do the same by proroguing parliament.

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9 minutes ago, altus said:

The only things rogue in parliament at that time were May's government's attempt to bypass the sovereignty of parliament over article 50 and Johnson's government's attempt to do the same by proroguing parliament.

As someone who has no respect for democracy you would say that.  Those rogue MPs got their just desserts at the December 2019 general election and justice was done in giving Boris and the Tory party an eighty seat majority which enabled Brexit to be done which is the will of the electorate. 

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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

One of the main reasons the Labour party suffered such a massive defeat was because their party leadership didn't respect democracy and wanted to cheat the electorate out of their democratic choice to leave the EU. Our democracy most certainly isn't poor but our elected MPs during the time of the rogue parliament were absolutely poor in respecting democracy.

Are you selective in which election promises you think should be carried out, just referendums or should partys honour their promises?

It was the ruling party that failed to force their MPs to vote in accordance with their manifesto, the LD stuck to their partys principles, I think Labour were always on the fence.

What did the Labour manifesto say abour leaving the EU, but lets not make this thread about the EU.

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30 minutes ago, West 77 said:

As someone who has no respect for democracy you would say that.  Those rogue MPs got their just desserts at the December 2019 general election and justice was done in giving Boris and the Tory party an eighty seat majority which enabled Brexit to be done which is the will of the electorate. 

It's quite cear that you are the one who doesn't respect our democracy - not just in your support of government attempts to bypass the sovereignty of parliament but also in your criticism of the oppositon parties for not supporting the government of the day. They are officially referred to as "Her Majesty's loyal opposition" to emphasise that opposing the government is not being disloyal but actually their job of holding the government to account. Your lack of respect for our democracy is not limited to brexit related issues.

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21 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Are you selective in which election promises you think should be carried out, just referendums or should partys honour their promises?

It was the ruling party that failed to force their MPs to vote in accordance with their manifesto, the LD stuck to their partys principles, I think Labour were always on the fence.

What did the Labour manifesto say abour leaving the EU, but lets not make this thread about the EU.

You're the poster who brought Brexit into the discussion. In the Labour 2017 general election manifesto it stated they would accept the EU referendum result which clearly they didn't otherwise they wouldn't have wanted another referendum on the issue.

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15 minutes ago, altus said:

It's quite cear that you are the one who doesn't respect our democracy - not just in your support of government attempts to bypass the sovereignty of parliament but also in your criticism of the oppositon parties for not supporting the government of the day. They are officially referred to as "Her Majesty's loyal opposition" to emphasise that opposing the government is not being disloyal but actually their job of holding the government to account. Your lack of respect for our democracy is not limited to brexit related issues.

I criticise all MPs would sought to block the democratic choice the British people made to leave the EU regardless of which party they represent. There were members of the Tory party elected in the 2017 general election who were part of the rogue parliament. You are correct it is the job of the opposition parties to hold the government of the day to account. However regarding leaving the EU parliament handed over the job of deciding whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave the EU to the electorate  and it was the job of parliament and the government of the day to carry out those instructions.  The rogue parliament didn't follow the wishes of the electorate who instructed them to implement leaving the EU.

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3 minutes ago, West 77 said:

I criticise all MPs would sought to block the democratic choice the British people made to leave the EU regardless of which party they represent. There were members of the Tory party elected in the 2017 general election who were part of the rogue parliament. You are correct it is the job of the opposition parties to hold the government of the day to account. However regarding leaving the EU parliament handed over the job of deciding whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave the EU to the electorate  and it was the job of parliament and the government of the day to carry out those instructions.  The rogue parliament didn't follow the wishes of the electorate who instructed them to implement leaving the EU.

The referendum didn't define what form leaving the EU would take. Even Nigel Farage said before the referendum that being in the EEA with a Norway style deal would have been acceptable to him. So politicians arguing about what form brexit should take was not attempting to block the referendum result. Your support of the rogue governments trying to bypass our parliamentary system shows you don't respect our democracy, as does your criticism of Her Majesty's loyal opposition for trying to hold the government of the day to account on matters whether they are related to brexit or not.

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