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2 hours ago, West 77 said:

Good  families who genuinely love and respect their vulnerable relatives find a  way to look after them rather than dumping them in a care home. The truth is the majority of families who put vulnerable relatives in care homes are selfish people who don't like hard work and don't really love and respect the relative they dump in a care home. 

While I don't dispute that there are some familes like that, there are also many people who have complex long term care needs which, however much they may want too,  an ordinary family cannot provide.

 

For these people, residential care is the best and safest option. 

 

 

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People seem to be going off subject. Anna B asked a simple question should taxes be raised to pay for social care I personally would have no problem with this

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Did charging students £9,000 a year tuition fees improve their education? Did it reduce our overall tax bill? No, it just made it a less attractive option to many of the hardest pressed families.

Has dentistry improved now that it's been all but removed from the NHS? No, It's just a lot more expensive. Have our taxes gone down to allow us to pay it? No 'course not.

Will charging extra tax/national insurance make the current social care situation improve? I very much doubt it unless the system changes radically. We'll just end up paying out more money for no discernable benefit.  

 

 

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Labours  Liz Kendall was interviewed on news today . Despite being asked three or more times what Labour would do , she couldnt answer 

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10 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Did charging students £9,000 a year tuition fees improve their education? Did it reduce our overall tax bill? No, it just made it a less attractive option to many of the hardest pressed families.

Has dentistry improved now that it's been all but removed from the NHS? No, It's just a lot more expensive. Have our taxes gone down to allow us to pay it? No 'course not.

Will charging extra tax/national insurance make the current social care situation improve? I very much doubt it unless the system changes radically. We'll just end up paying out more money for no discernable benefit.  

 

 

How are you quantifying the fact that university fees haven't improved education?  I've seen an awful lot of new university buildings on my travels over the last 10 years or so.

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1 hour ago, Becky B said:

What a wonderful sweeping generalisation, demonstrating a lack of understanding and empathy of the personal situations of so many perfect strangers to you.

Quite. 

I've had reason to challenge this poster before on his complete lack of empathy or even basic knowledge on the issue with regards to 'families who dump their loved ones in care homes'. I now just regard him with contempt.

A friend of mine looked after his elderly mother in her own home for nearly 15 years. He gave up his job, his life, any chance of happiness, and ultimately his own health. 

When his mother died a few years ago, he had to go on Jobseekers Allowance. Because his musculoskeletal system is knackered after years of undertaking backbreaking care work on his own, he is limited as to what he can do. Even though he has saved the taxpayer an absolute fortune in undertaking the care work on his own; it hasn't stopped the Benefits Agency showing a complete lack of regard to his situation.

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46 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Did charging students £9,000 a year tuition fees improve their education? Did it reduce our overall tax bill? No, it just made it a less attractive option to many of the hardest pressed families.

Has dentistry improved now that it's been all but removed from the NHS? No, It's just a lot more expensive. Have our taxes gone down to allow us to pay it? No 'course not.

Will charging extra tax/national insurance make the current social care situation improve? I very much doubt it unless the system changes radically. We'll just end up paying out more money for no discernable benefit.  

 

 

Do you remember when bus fares in Sheffield were 10 pence for any journey ?

Some people moaned about how council tax was subsidising the buses.

So bus fares were increased, council tax did not go down and you can judge whether the service improved.

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58 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Labours  Liz Kendall was interviewed on news today . Despite being asked three or more times what Labour would do , she couldnt answer 

This doesn't surprise me. It requires a complete turn around back to old Labour values that gave us the NHS in the first place. Neither she or Starmer would ever admit that. They are part of the problem, they all belong to the same  neoliberal party as Boris.

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19 minutes ago, Anna B said:

This doesn't surprise me. It requires a complete turn around back to old Labour values that gave us the NHS in the first place. Neither she or Starmer would ever admit that. They are part of the problem, they all belong to the same  neoliberal party as Boris.

are you saying you want people like Jeremy corbyn running the country, he had the same idea ie returning to the old labour ways?

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'Social care' appears to have become a bit of a misnomer with people solely associating the term as merely looking after pensioners in care or nursing homes due to various reasons.  However, social care is there for anyone who requires it, from cradle to grave, so the argument that the young will be paying for the old is groundless.  The 'old' could equally be paying to support the young. 

 

There's around 31 million people currently in work in the UK & in the grand scheme of things, when paying out, (both for the necessary utilities & other bills & for the additional non-essentials that people could reduce; lets say go without one day's expensive coffee; that £6 pint of craft beer or downloading that music track), 99% wouldn't notice or mimd say a 1% increase in NI as long as it WAS spent on care. 

 

The NHS is heavily involved in social care, not just private nursing homes & isn't that the basis that the NHS was built on?  Everyone contributes regardless, to help everyone else & also yourself if needed, as you'll be very lucky not to require it at some point in life, whether it be a care home or simply requiring a regular nurse home visit or rehabilitation sessions. 

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24 minutes ago, kidley said:

are you saying you want people like Jeremy corbyn running the country, he had the same idea ie returning to the old labour ways?

Yes that's her answer to all of the world's problems.

 

"X wouldn't be happening if Corbzy was in charge."

 

https://youtu.be/fAo40EYjUUY

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36 minutes ago, Delayed said:

Yes that's her answer to all of the world's problems.

 

"X wouldn't be happening if Corbzy was in charge."

 

https://youtu.be/fAo40EYjUUY

Cracking video .

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