Cause Of Fake News?

[Annie Bynnol 612]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

Common parlance in politics.  Look it up.

 

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The errors in the structure and grammar your first two sentences make it difficult understand.

 

Just ask the question you mean to ask and I will answer it(preferably without added guesswork, insinuations and assumptions).

[trastrick 866]

11 hours ago, Longcol said:

Do us all a favour and learn how to post a link please.

Here ya go!

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316094/conservatism-down-start-2020.aspx

 

https://apnews.com/article/democrats-popular-vote-win-d6331f7e8b51d52582bb2d60e2a007ec

11 hours ago, altus said:

It's not going to happen. Posting links reveals the context of the quotes. trastrick has been shown multiple times to post out of context quotes where the full article contradicts what they claim their out of context quote means.

Here ya go!

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316094/conservatism-down-start-2020.aspx

 

https://apnews.com/article/democrats-popular-vote-win-d6331f7e8b51d52582bb2d60e2a007ec

Edited September 6, 2021 by trastrick

[trastrick 866]

10 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

 

The errors in the structure and grammar your first two sentences make it difficult understand.

 

Just ask the question you mean to ask and I will answer it(preferably without added guesswork, insinuations and assumptions).

I was asking do you have a credible source to back up your statement:

 

"Over two decades American politics has moved to the right and focusing on single issue politics, feeding a willing population with propaganda.  With some success, this propaganda has often been shown to be exaggerated -even created. The majority of Americans know this."

 

I posted links that show the opposite is true.

 

Here they are again:

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316094/conservatism-down-start-2020.aspx

 

https://apnews.com/article/democrats-popular-vote-win-d6331f7e8b51d52582bb2d60e2a007ec

 

And in the last election, Democrats ousted the Republicans out of power in all three Legislative Branches of Government, Congress, The Senate, and The White House.

 

And by the biggest Democrat popuiar vote ever recorded in a Presidential Election, 81 million votes.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by trastrick

[Annie Bynnol 612]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

I was asking do you have a credible source to back up your statement:

 

"Over two decades American politics has moved to the right and focusing on single issue politics, feeding a willing population with propaganda.  With some success, this propaganda has often been shown to be exaggerated -even created. The majority of Americans know this."

 

 

It is not about votes or popularity it is about power.

 

Dealing with the Republican Party only tells us the story of how American mainstream politics and decision making has moved right.

To be selected as a Senator/Representative/Governor you would have to court these groups for finance and influence and at State level, when elected be seen to do their bidding sometimes in conflict with Federal and Supreme Court decisions. Some issues would rumble on for decades, some would be mixed up with States Rights arguments.

Similarly Presidential nominees would need vast amounts of money and influence from across the country in their attempt to become the Party's Candidate. (Democrats do the same).

From all party's Americans give their elected President far greater loyalty than we would.

 

The tight rope an elected Republican (Democrats do the same) has had to walk when elected is between being appealing to the whole country(far more important in the USA for many reasons) and to the bidding of those who poured money and influence into the campaign. 

The Republicans have a much harder job as some of the groups are/have views that are extreme or unacceptable 

Since Eisenhower, GOP Presidents have more or less been able to do this, with Reagan probably being the best at it, who without initial GOP support relied on religious and far right groups, and when in power was able to tone down their demands and expectations.

 

Trump was not of the Party, neither were his backers. He had no interest in running a Government, in policies, in shaping the economic or social future. His choice for senior posts from outside the Party was not successful.

This has allowed the now media/digital savvy pressure groups who paid for him to gain real influence/control in the individual States, Courts, Supreme Court and Federal Government more than under any previous GOP President.

As the GOP struggles with a post Trump world they will have to deal directly with the extreme right who now feel they have far greater leverage to demand. 

 

The spectrum of American politics has extended far to the powerful right and a lesser extent to an impotent left.

 

[El Cid 214]

1 hour ago, Annie Bynnol said:

To be selected as a Senator/Representative/Governor you would have to court these groups for finance and influence and at State level, when elected be seen to do their bidding sometimes in conflict with Federal and Supreme Court decisions. Some issues would rumble on for decades, some would be mixed up with States Rights arguments.

Similarly Presidential nominees would need vast amounts of money and influence from across the country in their attempt to become the Party's Candidate. (Democrats do the same).

 

The spectrum of American politics has extended far to the powerful right and a lesser extent to an impotent left.

That is exactly where the UK is heading with its elected Mayors, without PR we will follow the USAs lead.

[Anna B 1,401]

On 06/09/2021 at 09:16, trastrick said:

"Over two decades American politics has moved to the right and focusing on single issue politics, feeding a willing population with propaganda.  With some success, this propaganda has often been shown to be exaggerated -even created. The majority of Americans know this."

 

People don't seem to realise that this applies very much to the UK as well.

 

We no longer have 'right' and 'left' politics, it has all moved very firmly to the right, even far right in the case of the Conservatives. This is not in the interests of the ordinary people, who now have no one fighting their corner, and are having to put up with the results; everything from poor working practices, to huge gaps in the NHS and many more. Trust is now a rare commodity.

 

Propaganda is very much part of the political scene, which is why it pays to check a number of sources to discover the full picture. Remember also that non-reporting /censoring of important events is also a form of propaganda. 

 

Unfortunately the majority of British people do not seem to know this, so wedded are they to the idea that 'the BBC never lies.' 

Wake up people, we are living in a different world to the one you think you're in.

 

  

Edited September 7, 2021 by Anna B

[melthebell 862]

Just watching this

 

Plenty of fake news, disinformation, misinformation and out and out lies abound, its all a very right wind theory too, deep down based on anti semitism

[Annie Bynnol 612]

On 07/09/2021 at 12:49, Anna B said:

People don't seem to realise that this applies very much to the UK as well.

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The Quote:

"Over two decades American politics has moved to the right and focusing on single issue politics, feeding a willing population with propaganda.  With some success, this propaganda has often been shown to be exaggerated -even created. The majority of Americans know this", appears in the post by trastrick but was was originally by me in post#54

[Anna B 1,401]

6 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

The Quote:

"Over two decades American politics has moved to the right and focusing on single issue politics, feeding a willing population with propaganda.  With some success, this propaganda has often been shown to be exaggerated -even created. The majority of Americans know this", appears in the post by trastrick but was was originally by me in post#54

My mistake Annie, apologies.

[trastrick 866]

Now the Durham Investigation is ramping up, the MSM is having to seriously look at its credibility.

 

After pushing a Democrat Party Conspiracy theory 24/7, for 5 years, or so, in the probably the greatest Media scandal ever, that lead to 2 Democrat Congressional Impeachment attempts and multiple investigations, including a 2 year, $22,000,000.00 Special Prosecutor Investigation,  the real truth is now, slowly but surely emerging.

 

(Truth has a habit of doing that, albeit eventually)

 

The fellow travelers in the Media, who relentlessly pushed the conspiracy, are now faced with either standung by their original reporting or making corrections to their archived reports (historical revisions).

 

The Washington Post is the first major news organization to announce it is doing so.

 

"Washington Post corrects, removes reporting that relied on discredited anti-Trump Steele dossier".

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-corrects-removes-reporting-steele-dossier

 

NPR- "Arrest of Steele dossier source forces some news outlets to reexamine their coverage"

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/12/1055030223/the-fbi-arrests-a-key-contributor-to-efforts-trying-to-link-trump-with-russia

 

Can they be sued for defamation?  Can Trump voters sue for election interference malpractice?

 

Can news organizations just delete and change their contemporay reporting, at will,  so that nobody will be able to reference it in future, or check the validity and crediblity of their news reports, Op-Eds, and "BREAKING NEWS" headlines?

 

Who is next?

 

They have taken steps to deal with misinformation on the Social platforms, twitter and facebook.

 

Aren't the Media print and TV also subject to the same rules?

 

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

 

Smart guy, that!

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by trastrick

[Carbuncle 0]

Causes of fake news: Donald Trump, trastrick.

[Magilla 510]

 

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

Can they be sued for defamation?  Can Trump voters sue for election interference malpractice?

"Lock her up" wasn't it? For a person who, despite multiple Republican investigations,  was repeatedly found to have not done anything to warrant it.

 

Given the falsehoods Trump spouted throughout both elections and his entire term, about many many people... who do you think might have the most liability here?

 

The words "Spectacular own goal" spring to mind!

 

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Can news organizations just delete and change their contemporay reporting, at will,  so that nobody will be able to reference it in future, or check the validity and crediblity of their news reports, Op-Eds, and "BREAKING NEWS" headlines?

https://web.archive.org

 

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Who is next?

Given the veracity of your posts, it appears to be ...  Joe Biden!

 

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They have taken steps to deal with misinformation on the Social platforms, twitter and facebook.

 

Aren't the Media print and TV also subject to the same rules?

As above, sauce for the goose... do you think Fox News will be championing your cause?

 

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“History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

Sounds like Trumps presidency, with an even narrower scope than "the party"!

 

57 minutes ago, Carbuncle said:

Causes of fake news: Donald Trump, trastrick.

Haha!

Edited November 15, 2021 by Magilla