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Ineffectual Crowd Control In Football Stadiums.

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9 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

I was just joking,   did you really think I meant get the S.A.S in for real,  :loopy: anyhow you just can't put the Army on the streets, Marshall law and all that,  in future the Police will be aware and ready incase this sort of thing becomes a trend at football grounds. 

My apologies sir, I really didn’t know if you’d be joking or not. Perhaps my uncertainty reflects my view of your mental capabilities. I mean, anyone who resorts to the use of emojis, you never know!

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4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

My apologies sir, I really didn’t know if you’d be joking or not. Perhaps my uncertainty reflects my view of your mental capabilities. I mean, anyone who resorts to the use of emojis, you never know!

I used an emojis to clearly show I was joking but you didn't pick on that, that reflects my view of your mental capbilities,  stop being mardy, :roll:

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14 minutes ago, PRESLEY said:

I used an emojis to clearly show I was joking but you didn't pick on that, that reflects my view of your mental capbilities,  stop being mardy, :roll:

Haha, I thought it might!

 

Can I also just add PRESLEY, I’m really pleased we’re allowed have this kind of difference of opinion, without a mod turning up and shutting everything down!

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32 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I’m blaming the idiots.

 

However, I also blame the security in so far as it was woefully inadequate to keep control of the situation; maybe we should be asking why?

 

Why didn’t the authorities anticipate trouble, is no-one monitoring social media? Also, perhaps Wembley and the FA are more concerned with how profitable the event will be, and security is a secondary concern to them? If that’s the case, who is deciding if their proposed security measures are adequate to the task?

I'm sure people are asking why. They've already said it's highly likely to affect bids for 2030 tournament.

 

I also think that there would be no previous experience of England playing a major final at Wembley and how some fans might react - particularly when those same fans have probably not attended a game of football in 18months and were therefore hyped up to say the least.

 

It is what it is. No need to create a massive security response involving the army, water cannons and rubber bullets as a consqeuence.

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11 minutes ago, makapaka said:

No need to create a massive security response involving the army, water cannons and rubber bullets as a consqeuence.

Yes, that’s fair enough makapaka.

 

I think you just need to get the appropriate level of force in order to control the situation, so that the idiots are not running the show, and getting inside unchecked.

 

I wonder that that would look like? What security measures would have been appropriate for Sunday’s game, to maintain control, and prevent unauthorised access to the stadium?

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2 hours ago, Baron99 said:

I hear people on the news blaming the Wembley security & the police.  What about simply blaming the drunken idiots for causing the problems in the first place? 

If the Hillsborough investigation taught us anything, it's that a crowd of people should never be held accountable for their actions in any way.

 

Rather than an individual victim who people often try and blame instead of the offender.

 

Makes you wonder how many there need to be in a mob before the tipping point of a lack of accountability is reached. 30? 60? 100?

 

In terms of the final at Wembley, maybe the stewards and security have got out of practice at planning for the stupidity of people and just thought people would queue up nicely.

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38 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Haha, I thought it might!

 

Can I also just add PRESLEY, I’m really pleased we’re allowed have this kind of difference of opinion, without a mod turning up and shutting everything down!

You wasn't far off really when saying the Army should get involved I've said  this before about riots ect, I think the Army Lads and Lasses wouldn't  mind standing along side of the Police when rioting and looting take place,  or be  on standby at peaceful demonstrations just incase it something goes wrong.:thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

I think you need to scale up the response to appropriately meet the threat and be in control of the morons. That clearly didn’t happen on Sunday night.

 

I think if the threat is sufficient that you’d consider the SAS to be an appropriate response, then clearly you would stop the event from going ahead at that point.

But the “threat” was that a few hundred idiots got into Wembley without tickets. The correct response is to arrest them and throw the book at them.

 

I attend lots of football matches, I don’t want to encounter the SAS, water cannon and all the other frankly bonkers things that you seem to think are proportionate responses to a few idiots.

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1 minute ago, sibon said:

But the “threat” was that a few hundred idiots got into Wembley without tickets. The correct response is to arrest them and throw the book at them.

 

I attend lots of football matches, I don’t want to encounter the SAS, water cannon and all the other frankly bonkers things that you seem to think are proportionate responses to a few idiots.

Do you not understand ‘scale up appropriately’?

 

Also, point out where I say SAS is a proportionate response to a few idiots. Or withdraw your gross misrepresentation of my position.

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3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Do you not understand ‘scale up appropriately’?

 

Also, point out where I say SAS is a proportionate response to a few idiots. Or withdraw your gross misrepresentation of my position.

I understand that you are making a scene.
 

At first, I thought your op was some sort of not very funny parody. Then I realised that you were serious about water cannon, the army and rubber bullets. At a football game.

 

I’m still trying to take it all in. Please tell me this is an elaborate joke thread.

 

 

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I have to admit I thought the original post was a parody. 

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40 minutes ago, sibon said:

I understand that you are making a scene.
 

At first, I thought your op was some sort of not very funny parody. Then I realised that you were serious about water cannon, the army and rubber bullets. At a football game.

 

I’m still trying to take it all in. Please tell me this is an elaborate joke thread.

 

 

Again, point out where I say SAS is a proportionate response to a few idiots. Or withdraw your gross misrepresentation of my position.

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