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Was just watching a report on the chaos of ticketless fans breaching security and gaining entry to Wembley at the Euro 2020 final, England against Italy.

 

Where was the army, water cannons, rubber bullets, seriously effective crowd control?

 

What was in place was wishy washy ineffectual crowd control, primary school kids would have been as effective.

 

To my mind, you absolutely can not have these idiots overpowering police and security, it’s totally inexcusable and asking for another Hillsborough disaster. You must control the crowd with an unrelenting iron grip, whatever it takes, because if you don’t, and the fans disregard your instructions and it results in deaths, then the authorities are to blame for those deaths.

 

If for whatever reason, you cannot be 100% in control of the crowd, the event should be cancelled. I also wonder if we should have an external body evaluate plans for crowd control, and if not sufficient, then they would have the power to stop the event from going ahead. Really don’t think the likes of Wembley and the FA can be trusted to make the right decisions in this regard.

 

Any thoughts? Agree, disagree? What should be done?

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4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Was just watching a report on the chaos of ticketless fans breaching security and gaining entry to Wembley at the Euro 2020 final, England against Italy.

 

Where was the army, water cannons, rubber bullets, seriously effective crowd control?

 

What was in place was wishy washy ineffectual crowd control, primary school kids would have been as effective.

 

To my mind, you absolutely can not have these idiots overpowering police and security, it’s totally inexcusable and asking for another Hillsborough disaster. You must control the crowd with an unrelenting iron grip, whatever it takes, because if you don’t, and the fans disregard your instructions and it results in deaths, then the authorities are to blame for those deaths.

 

If for whatever reason, you cannot be 100% in control of the crowd, the event should be cancelled. I also wonder if we should have an external body evaluate plans for crowd control, and if not sufficient, then they would have the power to stop the event from going ahead. Really don’t think the likes of Wembley and the FA can be trusted to make the right decisions in this regard.

 

Any thoughts? Agree, disagree? What should be done?

My thoughts are that people should stop constantly lurching to extreme positions in response to media reports.

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12 minutes ago, makapaka said:

My thoughts are that people should stop constantly lurching to extreme positions in response to media reports.

So just business as usual, hope we don’t get another Hillsborough? (as we are not in control of who and how many enter a stadium)

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As I understand it, there were no such things as 'security fences' that the media were going on about.  By that description, you'd be imagining fencing at least 2m high linked together by those large concrete blocks.  In reality, the 'security fences' were the bog standard fences about 1.5m high & were only being used to 'snake' the crowds in to Wembley in order that people could be checked for Covid vaccination details / test results. 

 

I hear people on the news blaming the Wembley security & the police.  What about simply blaming the drunken idiots for causing the problems in the first place? 

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16 minutes ago, Waldo said:

So just business as usual, hope we don’t get another Hillsborough? (as we are not in control of who and how many enter a stadium)

No - find out what happened - learn from it and address accordingly with more policing / stewards / measures where required. Bearing in mind also the circumstances surrounding that particular match are unlikely to reoccur on a regular basis.

 

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It was a one off.  Apparently the yobs planned to break into Wembley on social media.  Hindsight is brilliant.  The English stadiums are much safer since the Hillsborough disaster meaning a tragedy like that is unlikely to happen again as a consequence of the yobs.  I agree blame the troublemakers and not Wembley security or the police who have a difficult  job dealing with the yobs. You can guarantee if the police act tough then they will be criticised by some if one of the yobs got hurt.

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According to one of the people who planned the Wembley shenanigans, a lot of the people without tickets just bribed the security guards with cash to get in. If you also consider the penny pinching corner cutting that made it easier for the Manchester arena bomber to go unchallenged (oh, and the G4S farce at the London Olympics), you might think the security industry was run by chancers.

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1 hour ago, Waldo said:

Was just watching a report on the chaos of ticketless fans breaching security and gaining entry to Wembley at the Euro 2020 final, England against Italy.

 

Where was the army, water cannons, rubber bullets, seriously effective crowd control?

 

What was in place was wishy washy ineffectual crowd control, primary school kids would have been as effective.

 

To my mind, you absolutely can not have these idiots overpowering police and security, it’s totally inexcusable and asking for another Hillsborough disaster. You must control the crowd with an unrelenting iron grip, whatever it takes, because if you don’t, and the fans disregard your instructions and it results in deaths, then the authorities are to blame for those deaths.

 

If for whatever reason, you cannot be 100% in control of the crowd, the event should be cancelled. I also wonder if we should have an external body evaluate plans for crowd control, and if not sufficient, then they would have the power to stop the event from going ahead. Really don’t think the likes of Wembley and the FA can be trusted to make the right decisions in this regard.

 

Any thoughts? Agree, disagree? What should be done?

Army, water cannons, rubber bullets, why not get the  S.A.S in and have done with it.  Oh Dear!  :hihi:

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1 hour ago, Delbow said:

According to one of the people who planned the Wembley shenanigans, a lot of the people without tickets just bribed the security guards with cash to get in. If you also consider the penny pinching corner cutting that made it easier for the Manchester arena bomber to go unchallenged (oh, and the G4S farce at the London Olympics), you might think the security industry was run by chancers.

If that story is true then surely there should be CCTV images of money changing hands to bring the security guards to justice.  There is the possibility criminals could pose as security guards to get money from fans wanting to gain illegal entry. Anyone being scammed by someone pretending to be a security guard are most unlikely to report the crime to the police.

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1 minute ago, PRESLEY said:

Army, water cannons, rubber bullets, why not get the  S.A.S in and have done with it.  Oh Dear!  :hihi:

I think you need to scale up the response to appropriately meet the threat and be in control of the morons. That clearly didn’t happen on Sunday night.

 

I think if the threat is sufficient that you’d consider the SAS to be an appropriate response, then clearly you would stop the event from going ahead at that point.

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1 hour ago, Baron99 said:

I hear people on the news blaming the Wembley security & the police.  What about simply blaming the drunken idiots for causing the problems in the first place? 

I’m blaming the idiots.

 

However, I also blame the security in so far as it was woefully inadequate to keep control of the situation; maybe we should be asking why?

 

Why didn’t the authorities anticipate trouble, is no-one monitoring social media? Also, perhaps Wembley and the FA are more concerned with how profitable the event will be, and security is a secondary concern to them? If that’s the case, who is deciding if their proposed security measures are adequate to the task?

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3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I think you need to scale up the response to appropriately meet the threat and be in control of the morons. That clearly didn’t happen on Sunday night.

 

I think if the threat is sufficient that you’d consider the SAS to be an appropriate response, then clearly you would stop the event from going ahead at that point.

I was just joking,   did you really think I meant get the S.A.S in for real,  :loopy: anyhow you just can't put the Army on the streets, Marshall law and all that,  in future the Police will be aware and ready incase this sort of thing becomes a trend at football grounds. 

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