Rail Services To Come Under State Control

[El Cid 218]

8 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Your initial point is true. Yes, I do vividly remember the disruption to peoples lives they caused 2016-19. Not all trains have designated guards - although there is usually  - but not always - a second member of train crew.

As I understand, if there is no driver, then there is a guard, for safety reasons, there always needs to be a guard.

Who would look after the 100+ passengers in the event of a crash?

8 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Your initial point is true. Yes, I do vividly remember the disruption to peoples lives they caused 2016-19. Not all trains have designated guards - although there is usually  - but not always - a second member of train crew.

As I understand, if there is no driver, then there is a guard, for safety reasons, there always needs to be a guard.

Who would look after the 100+ passengers in the event of a crash?

Edited May 22, 2021 by El Cid

[apelike 10]

22 minutes ago, El Cid said:

As I understand, if there is no driver, then there is a guard, for safety reasons, there always needs to be a guard.

Who would look after the 100+ passengers in the event of a crash?

Not one guard and that is for sure!

[RollingJ 2,030]

5 hours ago, El Cid said:

As I understand, if there is no driver, then there is a guard, for safety reasons, there always needs to be a guard.

Who would look after the 100+ passengers in the event of a crash?

As I understand, if there is no driver, then there is a guard, for safety reasons, there always needs to be a guard.

Who would look after the 100+ passengers in the event of a crash?

Docklands Light Rail?

And I never said trains on the national network had no staff, but some services do not have second members of crew - ThamesLink being one I am very familiar with, although you do occasionally get Revenue Protection Teams on them for a section of the route.

[El Cid 218]

2 hours ago, RollingJ said:

Docklands Light Rail?

And I never said trains on the national network had no staff, but some services do not have second members of crew - ThamesLink being one I am very familiar with, although you do occasionally get Revenue Protection Teams on them for a section of the route.

Are they driverless, but they do have a gaurd?

[RollingJ 2,030]

8 minutes ago, El Cid said:

Are they driverless, but they do have a gaurd?

They are not staffed, although a controller does operate them at times - assuming that you are referring to DLR. ThamesLink have a driver.

Edited May 22, 2021 by RollingJ

[GabrielC 55]

British Rail was not perfect but at least you could afford to use the train. Fares are much too high the same can be said about bus fares it's no good telling people to use greener transport if they can't afford to use it.

[RollingJ 2,030]

2 minutes ago, GabrielC said:

British Rail was not perfect but at least you could afford to use the train. Fares are much too high the same can be said about bus fares it's no good telling people to use greener transport if they can't afford to use it.

Not perfect? - they were chaotic, at times. Fares have to cover costs, and give some return, otherwise there is no service.

[BigAl1 143]

12 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

Not perfect? - they were chaotic, at times. Fares have to cover costs, and give some return, otherwise there is no service.

And Railtrack/Network Rail were not?

[RollingJ 2,030]

I didn't say that, but they are/were a slight improvement.

[BigAl1 143]

1 hour ago, RollingJ said:

I didn't say that, but they are/were a slight improvement.

I would have to disagree with you there there is no way Railtrack was an improvement and I am mystified how anyone could think that they were. They were a disaster from day one

 

although I will concede under Andrew Haines Network Rail are moving in the right direction

[RollingJ 2,030]

9 minutes ago, Bigal1 said:

I would have to disagree with you there there is no way Railtrack was an improvement and I am mystified how anyone could think that they were. They were a disaster from day one

 

although I will concede under Andrew Haines Network Rail are moving in the right direction

OK - Railtrack was not a great success, but delays due to unfinished planned work are now very low, although they still happen - sometimes unavoidably.

[BigAl1 143]

6 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

OK - Railtrack was not a great success, but delays due to unfinished planned work are now very low, although they still happen - sometimes unavoidably.

Railtrack was a disaster from start to finish

 

 

Really, how late was GWR electrification (and over budget?)

 

Much (other factors were at play as well) of the timetable crash in 2018 was as a direct result of Network rail running late with the infrastructure upgrades  especially the electrification of the line past Bolton