Putin's Wargame - Ukraine

[butlers 259]

It does make you wonder if Trump had been in office in 2001 how  resistant to war he might have been.

 

Bush jnr of course  holds most culpability easy to start wars , difficult to end them

 

Think the sooner we can get Ukraine into Nato the better.

 

[GabrielC 53]

1 hour ago, butlers said:

It does make you wonder if Trump had been in office in 2001 how  resistant to war he might have been.

 

Bush jnr of course  holds most culpability easy to start wars , difficult to end them

 

Think the sooner we can get Ukraine into Nato the better.

 

Thats the problem if Ukraine  is allowed into NATO that makes it harder for Putin better to strike first and show a bit of military might to show Ukraine the errors of its ways.  

[Magilla 510]

2 hours ago, trastrick said:

Slippery  little critter aren't you.?

 

Here we are discussing American politics, where the "body bag count" as commonly refers to the returning of U.S. military Servicemen and women in body bags.

...because they're the only ones that matter... my mistake!

 

I explicitly qualified "civilian deaths" in my initial response so my interpretation was clear.

[trastrick 866]

If your selective memory is not addled, you may recall it was only only the Democrat Party which deliberately targeted innocent civilians, women and children, when they dropped Atomic Bombs on two major Japanese cities.

 

The "final solution!."

Edited April 20, 2021 by trastrick

[altus 538]

1 hour ago, GabrielC said:

Thats the problem if Ukraine  is allowed into NATO that makes it harder for Putin better to strike first and show a bit of military might to show Ukraine the errors of its ways.  

Putin's only got himself to blame for former Soviet republics rushing to align themselves to the West. After his invasion of Georgia in 2008, they realised there was nothing to stop him doing the same to them. As a result many of them decided that joining NATO was the only way to dissuade him and they pleaded to be allowed to join. Much as some would like to blame the EU, it was far more Putin's actions making them fear for their new found independence driving them West than them being lured by the EU.

[butlers 259]

And the cyber attacks on the Baltic countries and big military moves on Finland's borders.

Putin longs for the old days of  the warsaw pact.

 

[Longcol 597]

9 hours ago, West 77 said:

The EU and Obama are to blame for Putin and Russia getting stronger and becoming more of a threat. The EU shouldn't have expanded eastwards and Obama should have attacked the Assad regime in Syria when the red line was crossed.  Putin is a strong leader of his country and certainly knows the best way to deal with national traitors. 

So anyone oppossing Putin is a traitor? You don't seem too keen on democracy.

[butlers 259]

And presumably free press too?

 

How many journalists have been killed in Russia 

Edited April 20, 2021 by butlers

[trastrick 866]

The EU, NATO countries are dependent on Putin to keep the oil and gas pipelines flowing. They'll do nothing to save the Ukraine.

 

And the EU was Iran's biggest trading partner, lol . Recently overtaken by China, so say goodbye to Taiwan, too.

 

Trading with the enemy?

 

According to WIKI:

 

"As of 2019, the Iran–EU trade relations are stained due to the sanctions re-imposed on Iran by the United States after the US unilateral withdrawal from the multinational Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action agreement. The EU has, however, established a special Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges to enable EU–Iran trade bypassing the US sanctions. In fact, the EU were seen to be "urging Chinese and Russian counterparts to do more to support bilateral economic ties with Iran".^[2] - 

 

So exactly who is Putin's puppet?

 

Meanwhile the U.S. has largely funded NATO, and still has some 300,000 U.S. Troops stationed in Europe to prevent them killing each other (again). Lol

 

And they cried when Trump threatened to bring the U.S. Troops out if these socialist paradises didn't pay their fair share of the cost of their own defense. lol

Edited April 21, 2021 by trastrick

[Annie Bynnol 612]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

The EU, NATO countries are dependent on Putin to keep the oil and gas pipelines flowing. They'll do nothing to save the Ukraine.

 

And the EU was Iran's biggest trading partner, lol . Recently overtaken by China, so say goodbye to Taiwan, too.

 

Trading with the enemy?

 

According to WIKI:

 

"As of 2019, the Iran–EU trade relations are stained due to the sanctions re-imposed on Iran by the United States after the US unilateral withdrawal from the multinational Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action agreement. The EU has, however, established a special Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges to enable EU–Iran trade bypassing the US sanctions. In fact, the EU were seen to be "urging Chinese and Russian counterparts to do more to support bilateral economic ties with Iran".^[2] - 

 

So exactly who is Putin's puppet?

 

Meanwhile the U.S. has largely funded NATO, and still has some 300,000 U.S. Troops stationed in Europe to prevent them killing each other (again). Lol

 

And they cried when Trump threatened to bring the U.S. Troops out if these socialist paradises didn't pay their fair share of the cost of their own defense. lol

Putins catastrophic management of the Russian economy is vividly exposed in his use of fossil fuels.

He is dependent on the this for foreign currency yet he orders price cuts to support his dwindling market share (and influence).

 

[butlers 259]

Trade is a two way street.

Russia is an oil state and to cut the flow of oil would cripple the economy 

[butlers 259]

17 hours ago, trastrick said:

If your selective memory is not addled, you may recall it was only only the Democrat Party which deliberately targeted innocent civilians, women and children, when they dropped Atomic Bombs on two major Japanese cities.

 

The "final solution!."

 Easy to say from.this distance.

Would you have preferred several hundred thousand dead allied troops and civilians if Japan was invaded?

I have seen the comment after reading about the Japanese army unit 731 ,we should have dropped more