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So the far-right/Covid deniers/Conspiracy Theorists are seeking Asylum on this thread, how surprising,  after their failure to have any impact on World, British, Sheffield, forum, thread, anybody's opinion.

 

This thread is about Biden as President.

If you lot can stick to Biden without resurrecting Trump that would be good.

 

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Of course.

 

The definition of a conspiracy theory, is a when a false narrative is vehemently defended by those irrational people who can not bring themselves to admit they were wrong, even when subsequent events reveal the truth, and even the principal protagonists, admit they were wrong.

 

See:

 

Obama's FBI Director James Comey

 

"I Was Wrong’: Comey Admits To ‘Real Sloppiness’ In Russia Investigation"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2019/12/15/i-was-wrong-comey-admits-to-real-sloppiness-in-russia-investigation/?sh=30f8d2f21c6b

 

and:

 

Obama's CIA Director John Brennan

 

"Brennan on Mueller summary"

""I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was," 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/435653-brennan-on-mueller-report-summary-i-think-i-suspected-there-was-more

 

Lol

 

Especially when the subject is under a current Criminal Investigation by one John Durham, with the outcome to be revealed sometime before the Mid Term elections.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, trastrick said:

Of course.

 

The definition of a conspiracy theory, is a when a false narrative is vehemently defended by those irrational people who can not bring themselves to admit they were wrong, even when subsequent events reveal the truth, and even the principal protagonists, admit they were wrong.

 

See:

 

Obama's FBI Director James Comey

 

"I Was Wrong’: Comey Admits To ‘Real Sloppiness’ In Russia Investigation"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2019/12/15/i-was-wrong-comey-admits-to-real-sloppiness-in-russia-investigation/?sh=30f8d2f21c6b

As per your linked article, the central claim of Trump, who accused to the FBI of "treason, of illegal spying, of tapping Mr. Trump’s wires illegally, of opening an investigation without justification, of being a criminal conspiracy to defeat and then unseat a president."

 

...was all nonsense.

 

20 hours ago, trastrick said:

Obama's CIA Director John Brennan

 

"Brennan on Mueller summary"

""I don't know if I received bad information, but I think I suspected there was more than there actually was," 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/435653-brennan-on-mueller-report-summary-i-think-i-suspected-there-was-more

 

Said after publication of Barr's "interpretation" of the Mueller report, before it was published. Mueller later made a public statement to say that interpretation was incorrect and misleading! :?

 

Somewhat ironic that Brennan was commenting on something that didn't turn out to be entirely true, don't you think? :hihi:

 

20 hours ago, trastrick said:

Especially when the subject is under a current Criminal Investigation by one John Durham, with the outcome to be revealed sometime before the Mid Term elections.

Given that the underlying reason for the investigation, according to Mueller, was that:

 

"a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."...

 

What are you going to do if Durham says the investigation was justified, like the previous Justice Department inspector generals investigation did? :?

 

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24 minutes ago, Magilla said:

As per your linked article, the central claim of Trump, who accused to the FBI of "treason, of illegal spying, of tapping Mr. Trump’s wires illegally, of opening an investigation without justification, of being a criminal conspiracy to defeat and then unseat a president."

 

...was all nonsense.

 

Said after publication of Barr's "interpretation" of the Mueller report, before it was published. Mueller later made a public statement to say that interpretation was incorrect and misleading! :?

 

Somewhat ironic that Brennan was commenting on something that didn't turn out to be entirely true, don't you think? :hihi:

 

Given that the underlying reason for the investigation, according to Mueller, was that:

 

"a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton."...

 

What are you going to do if Durham says the investigation was justified, like the previous Justice Department inspector generals investigation did? :?

 

Fair question.

 

Accept it an move on, of course!  

 

And If he comes up with a different conclusion?

 

Note:

 

"The only person charged in the Justice Department's investigation into the origins of the probe of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and its ties to Russia was spared prison time for altering an email used to support a surveillance application.

 

"Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, received the sentence of 12 months probation and 400 hours community service from U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg Friday during a video hearing.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/29/fbi-lawyer-trump-russia-probe-email-463750

 

And

 

"Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton"

Sep 16, 2021 — Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI ... Michael Sussmann, who worked through his law firm as ...

https://www.politico.com › news › 2021/09/16 › special...

 

And

 

"Russia expert who contributed to the Steele dossier charged with 5 counts of making false statements as part of John Durham's probe"

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-analyst-igor-danchenko-steele-dossier-arrested-durham-probe-nyt-2021-11?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral

 

So we shall see!

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, trastrick said:

Fair question.

 

Accept it an move on, of course!

First time for everything! :P

 

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

And If he comes up with a different conclusion?

The problem is, no-one of any note thinks he will.

 

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

"The only person charged in the Justice Department's investigation into the origins of the probe of former President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign and its ties to Russia was spared prison time for altering an email used to support a surveillance application.

 

"Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, received the sentence of 12 months probation and 400 hours community service from U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg Friday during a video hearing.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/29/fbi-lawyer-trump-russia-probe-email-463750

"My view of the evidence is that Mr. Clinesmith likely believed that what he said about Mr. Page was true," [the Judge] Boasberg said. "By altering the email, he was saving himself some work and taking an inappropriate shortcut."

 

Lazy, but smoking gun it ain't. :?

 

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

"Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton"

Sep 16, 2021 — Special prosecutor John Durham charges ex-attorney for Clinton campaign with lying to FBI ... Michael Sussmann, who worked through his law firm as ...

https://www.politico.com › news › 2021/09/16 › special...

Charged with failing to declare who his clients were, the charge does not relate to any information he provided being false :?

 

Even then, very slim pickings:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/special-counsels-weird-prosecution-michael-sussmann

 

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

"Russia expert who contributed to the Steele dossier charged with 5 counts of making false statements as part of John Durham's probe"

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-analyst-igor-danchenko-steele-dossier-arrested-durham-probe-nyt-2021-11?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral

The Steele dossier only relates to the Carter Page matter, which was only one relatively unimportant thread of the larger Russia investigation.

 

The Steel dossier, or anything in any of the cases above, aren't related to why the Special Prosecutor was appointed :?

 

3 hours ago, trastrick said:

So we shall see!

We shall, but considering the sheer number of confessions and convictions as a result of the Special Prosecutors investigation...

 

...gunna be very difficult to say it wasn't justified or shouldn't have happened (IMHO).

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Biden leading Trump, DeSantis by similar margins in new poll:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/591590-biden-leading-trump-desantis-by-similar-margins-in-new-poll

"if the 2024 presidential election were held today

 

43 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 33 percent would vote for Trump

41 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 33 percent would support DeSantis"

 

 

 

Morning Consult/Politico:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017e-92cd-db3e-a17e-d2ff8b5d0000&nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f115-dd93-ad7f-f91513e50001&nlid=630318

"if the 2024 presidential election were held today

 

45 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 44 percent would vote for Trump

44 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 39 percent would support DeSantis"

 

 

 

Polls :roll:

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3 hours ago, Magilla said:

Biden leading Trump, DeSantis by similar margins in new poll:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/591590-biden-leading-trump-desantis-by-similar-margins-in-new-poll

"if the 2024 presidential election were held today

 

43 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 33 percent would vote for Trump

41 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 33 percent would support DeSantis"

 

 

 

Morning Consult/Politico:

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017e-92cd-db3e-a17e-d2ff8b5d0000&nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f115-dd93-ad7f-f91513e50001&nlid=630318

"if the 2024 presidential election were held today

 

45 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 44 percent would vote for Trump

44 percent of adults nationwide would support Biden, while 39 percent would support DeSantis"

 

 

 

Polls :roll:

 

The Hill and Politico. It's like the Guardian reporting on the Labour Party. You really are a fool.

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11 hours ago, SheffieldBricky said:

The Hill and Politico. It's like the Guardian reporting on the Labour Party.

Nope :?

 

Revolver news on the other hand, that's like the Labour Party reporting on the Labour Party! :loopy::hihi:

 

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You really are a fool.

Pop the dummy back in :thumbsup:

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On 24/01/2022 at 12:57, Magilla said:

First time for everything! :P

 

The problem is, no-one of any note thinks he will.

 

"My view of the evidence is that Mr. Clinesmith likely believed that what he said about Mr. Page was true," [the Judge] Boasberg said. "By altering the email, he was saving himself some work and taking an inappropriate shortcut."

 

Lazy, but smoking gun it ain't. :?

 

Charged with failing to declare who his clients were, the charge does not relate to any information he provided being false :?

 

Even then, very slim pickings:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/special-counsels-weird-prosecution-michael-sussmann

 

The Steele dossier only relates to the Carter Page matter, which was only one relatively unimportant thread of the larger Russia investigation.

 

The Steel dossier, or anything in any of the cases above, aren't related to why the Special Prosecutor was appointed :?

 

We shall, but considering the sheer number of confessions and convictions as a result of the Special Prosecutors investigation...

 

...gunna be very difficult to say it wasn't justified or shouldn't have happened (IMHO).

""My view of the evidence is that Mr. Clinesmith likely believed that what he said about Mr. Page was true," [the Judge] Boasberg said. "By altering the email, he was saving himself some work and taking an inappropriate shortcut."

 

Lol

 

So the Judge sentenced  Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, to the sentence of 12 months probation and 400 hours community service from U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg Friday during a video hearing.

 

He got that sentence for "forging" an email to justify his erroneous "belief" that Page was guilty! (see below)

 

Lazy?  We're taking about an Obama/Biden Administration FBI  Agent, not a post office clerk!

 

Lol

 

 "In April 2019, the Mueller Report concluded that the investigation did not establish that Page coordinated in Russia's interference efforts.[5][6] In December 2019, the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, Michael E. Horowitz, issued a report on his inquiry into the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) investigation of the 2016 Trump campaign and its ties to Russia. Horowitz found fault with specific aspects of the FBI's conduct, including omissions of facts and false statements to the FISA court when applying for a warrant to conduct surveillance on Page.

 

"In 2019, the Justice Department determined the last two of four FISA warrants to surveil Page were invalid.[7][8] In 2020, Page sued the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI and former FBI Director James Comey for $75 million for the unlawful surveillance. The lawsuit stated that the surveillance "violated federal statutes enacted to prevent unlawful spying on United States persons, as well as the Constitution".  - WIKI

 

That lawsuit, as well as others against Media entities is ongoing and currently before the Courts.

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Report

 

"Biden says he warned Ukraine's President Zelensky during call to 'prepare for impact' and that Russian forces could 'SACK Kiev' - but White House denies any new action even as Fort Bragg's 82nd Airborne waits on standby"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10449615/Biden-admin-warns-Russian-combat-forces-gathered-near-Ukra


"US Embassy in Ukraine Orders Staff and Family to Leave"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJdS4Q3tk0U

 

 

After making it clear to Zelensky, that the U.S. will not defend the Ukraine,  The Russians have already won the day.

 

They now have the diplomatic option of just walking into the country, and installing a friendly government.

 

No need for Russia  to "sack Kiev".

 

Biden should just shut up, and advise the Ukraine government to make the best deal they can, and avoid unnecessary bloodshed.

 

But old Corn Pop like to talk tough, while he turns tail.

 

Never under estimate Joe's ability to **** things up!  :)

 

 

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1 hour ago, trastrick said:

So the Judge sentenced  Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, to the sentence of 12 months probation and 400 hours community service from U.S. District Court Judge James Boasberg Friday during a video hearing.

 

Lazy?  We're taking about an Obama/Biden Administration FBI  Agent, not a post office clerk!

...and he's paid an appropriate price for it.

 

It's not like he was in prison, and then pardoned... is it? :?

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

 "In April 2019, the Mueller Report concluded that the investigation did not establish that Page coordinated in Russia's interference efforts.[5][6] In December 2019, the Inspector General for the Department of Justice, Michael E. Horowitz, issued a report on his inquiry into the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) investigation of the 2016 Trump campaign and its ties to Russia. Horowitz found fault with specific aspects of the FBI's conduct, including omissions of facts and false statements to the FISA court when applying for a warrant to conduct surveillance on Page.

From the same Wiki:

 

When the Mueller report was released in April 2019, it described Page's testimony about his role in the 2016 Trump campaign and connections to individuals in Russia as contradictory and confusing, and his contacts with Russians before and during the campaign as tangential and eccentric. He was not charged with any crimes, though the report indicated there were unanswered questions about his actions and motives: "The investigation did not establish that Page coordinated with the Russian government in its efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election." However, with incomplete "evidence or testimony about who Page may have met or communicated with in Moscow", "Page's activities in Russia – as described in his emails with the [Trump campaign] – were not fully explained."

 

Regardless, the information relating to Carter Page is not why the Special Prosecutor was appointed :?

 

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

"In 2019, the Justice Department determined the last two of four FISA warrants to surveil Page were invalid.[7][8] In 2020, Page sued the U.S. Department of Justice, the FBI and former FBI Director James Comey for $75 million for the unlawful surveillance. The lawsuit stated that the surveillance "violated federal statutes enacted to prevent unlawful spying on United States persons, as well as the Constitution".  - WIKI

 

That lawsuit, as well as others against Media entities is ongoing and currently before the Courts.

Cool... but since two were valid, and the above... he now he has to prove it would have resulted in a different outcome.

 

The Republican-controlled Committee report in August 2020, found that despite problems with the FISA warrant requests used to surveil him, the FBI was justified in its counterintelligence concerns about Page! :?

 

So...  good luck with that! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Anyways, I thought you were all about waiting for the outcome these days? :hihi:

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4 minutes ago, trastrick said:

The Russians have already won the day.

If only it were actually true eh :hihi:

 

If it was, given the views of Trump supporters on this matter, you should be over the moon!! :thumbsup:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-could-care-less-if-people-say-hes-a-pawn-of-putin-2022-1

 

 

 

Top U.S. Senate Republican says Biden 'moving in the right direction' on Ukraine:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/top-us-senate-republican-says-biden-moving-right-direction-ukraine-2022-01-25/

 

:?

 

 

 

 

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