Joe Biden The New President Thoughts So Far?

[Anna B 1,401]

Good post.

 

We are seeing the results of some pretty bad decisions worldwide by the West over a long time.

Empires rise, Empires fall.

I'm afraid the West is now in terminal decline with Asia ascending. 

 

[Annie Bynnol 612]

18 hours ago, trastrick said:

 

Quote from Obama (who advised Joe not to run for President) " "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!"

 

 

Where, when and to whom  did Obama say this?

Nobody knows.

The origin was probably in or before 2016 at a time when Obama supported Clinton over Biden as a successor.

Many similarly anonymous comments appeared at the same time all relating to Bidens' very different intellectual and personal manner to Clinton who was seen by the right as a more threatening candidate.

The comment is attributed to an anonymous Democrat Party worker and relayed to a reporter from a 'left leaning' magazine.

Subsequently picked and spread by around by the extreme right wing media who avoid attributing a source.

 

Just shows how unprincipled the far right wing extremist media is and how it is able to supply plausible but inaccurate/untrue material for every occasion.

 

 

[Magilla 510]

23 hours ago, trastrick said:

That "finding" after a 2 year "Russian Collusion Hoax" Investigation, made Mueller a laughing stock among both Democrats and  Republicans, and effectively ended his public career and a likely chance of ending up on the Supreme Court.

Made up in your head, Mueller was never a candidate for the Supreme Court.

 

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A prosecuting attorney has a duty to recommend charges if he finds criminal behavior. There was never any credible evidence of a crime.

Again, nope.

 

Mueller had already been told by the Office of Legal Counsel that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and he felt that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court.

 

As such, Mueller passed the matter to Congress to decide whether Trump obstructed justice and take action accordingly.

 

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Quote from Robert Gates, Defense secretary for the Obama Administration, "Biden been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades!"

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/875380604/former-defense-secretary-gates-pushing-away-peaceful-protesters-was-a-bad-mistak

 

Some more quotes from Gates on Trump:

"It's hard to disagree that this president is a divider."

"I think that we are in a weaker position in the world today than we were three years ago."

 

...on Trumps foreign policy attempts:

"They haven't proved to be particularly successful. But at the same time, he has weakened our alliances, which I think is a critically important element of American national security."

 

On Biden:

" I wrote in my book Duty in 2014, that I thought Joe Biden had been wrong on almost every major foreign policy issue over the preceding 40 years. I wrote on the same page, though, that I regarded Joe Biden as a man of great integrity, a very decent human being, as somebody that if you had a personal problem or an issue, Joe Biden would be there to help you. So although I've got a lot of policy disagreements with the former vice president, he is a decent person. ... I think that what the country needs is somebody who will try to bring us together."

 

By the time of the election, Gates wanted Biden to win...

 

...so how bad must Trump have been?

 

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Quote from Obama (who advised Joe not to run for President) " "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!"

What did he say about Trump, and more importantly... was he wrong?

 

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Indeed!

 

So what you are seeing now folks is a desperate attempt by Biden, his handlers, sycophants, and Media pals, to blame Trump, (as usual), and to rationalize, justify and excuse every Biden Administration decision

It's not a fantasy to say the Doha deal was Trumps, it was!

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/mike-pompeo-afghanistan-collapse-506927

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and create a narrative that Afghanistan is a Biden triumph, in time for the U.S. 2022 mid-term elections. "I ended the Afghanistan War!"

...and it could very well turn out that way:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/gop-hurdles-afghanistan-midterms-506895

 

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Will they succeed? Are there really enough dupes out there this time?

Well there were for Trump, so I don't see why not...

Edited August 29, 2021 by Magilla

[trastrick 866]

22 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

Where, when and to whom  did Obama say this?

Nobody knows.

The origin was probably in or before 2016 at a time when Obama supported Clinton over Biden as a successor.

Many similarly anonymous comments appeared at the same time all relating to Bidens' very different intellectual and personal manner to Clinton who was seen by the right as a more threatening candidate.

The comment is attributed to an anonymous Democrat Party worker and relayed to a reporter from a 'left leaning' magazine.

Subsequently picked and spread by around by the extreme right wing media who avoid attributing a source.

 

Just shows how unprincipled the far right wing extremist media is and how it is able to supply plausible but inaccurate/untrue material for every occasion.

 

 

Lol

 

Here's how far the Left will go with their "unnamed sources".

 

They predicated their entire impeachment in 2019 on a  complaint by an "unnamed source", about the now famous phone call between Trump and the Ukraine President.

 

At the beginning of a Congressional Hearing on Impeachment, Covered live on TV, Adam Schiff, the Ranking Member on the House Select Intelligence Committee, described a call Trump made to Ukrainian President:

 

 “July 25th. president Zelensky eager to establish himself at home as a friend of the president of the most powerful nation on earth had at least two objectives, get a meeting with the president and get more military help. and so what happened on that call? Zelensky begins by ingratiating himself and he tries to enlist the support of the president. he says his country wants to acquire more weapons from us to defend itself. and what is the president's response? well, it reads like a classic organized crime shakedown. in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates,

 

“We've been very good to your country, very good, no other country has done as much as we have, but you know what, I don't see much reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you, though. and I’m going to say this only seven times, so you better listen good, I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand, lots of it, on this and on that, I’m going to put you in touch with people, not just any people, I’m going to put you in touch with the attorney general of the United States Bill Barr, he's got the whole weight of the American law enforcement behind him and I’m going to put you in touch with Rudy. you're going to love him, trust me. you know what I’m asking, and so I’m only going to say this a few more times in a few more ways, and by the way, don't call me again, I'll call you when you've done what you've asked.

 

“This is in sum and character what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine. it would be funny if it wasn't such a graphic betrayal of the president's oath of office. but as it does represent a real betrayal, there's nothing the president says here that is in America's interest after all. it is the most consequential form of tragedy. this matter would not have come to the attention of our committee or the nation's attention without the courage of a single person, the whistle-blower”.

 

The Media gleefully ran with it until The White House released the full Official Transcript of the call.

 

Here it is, courtesy of CSPAN;

 

“The President: Congratulations on a great victory. We all watched from the United States and you did a terrific job. The way you came from behind, somebody who wasn’t given much of a chance, and you ended up winning easily. It’s a fantastic achievement. Congratulations.

 

President Zelenskyy: You are absolutely right Mr. President. We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example for our elections and yes it is true that these were unique elections. We were in a unique situation that we were able to achieve a unique success. I’m able to tell you the following; the first time you called me to congratulate me when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.

 

The President: (laughter) That’s a very good idea. I think your country is very happy about that.

 

President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government. You are a great teacher for us and in that.

 

The President: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it’s something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she ·doesn’t do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it’s something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn’t say that it’s reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.

 

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I’m very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

 

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike… I guess you have one of your wealthy people… The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you’re surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it’s very important that you do it if that’s possible.

 

President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.

 

The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that’s really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what’s happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.

 

President Zelenskyy: I wanted to tell you about the prosecutor. First of all, I understand and I’m knowledgeable about the situation. Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved, by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation to make sure that we administer justice in our country with regard to the Ambassador to the United States from Ukraine as far as I recall her name was Ivanovich. It was great that you were the first one who told me that she was a bad ambassador because I agree with you 100%. Her attitude towards me was far from the best as she admired the previous President and she was on his side. She would not accept me as a new President well enough.

 

The President: Well, she’s going to go through some things. I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. I’m sure you will figure it out. I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything. Your economy is going to get better and better I predict. You have a lot of assets. It’s a great country. I have many Ukrainian friends, their incredible people.

 

President Zelenskyy: I would like to tell you that I also have quite a few Ukrainian friends that live in the United States. Actually last time I traveled to the United States, I stayed in New York near Central Park and I stayed at the Trump Tower. I will talk to them and I hope to see them again in the future. I also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the United States, specifically Washington DC. On the other hand, I also want to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and will work on the investigation. As to the economy, there is much potential for our two countries and one of the issues that is very important for Ukraine is energy independence. I believe we can be very successful and cooperating on energy independence with United States. We are already working on cooperation. We are buying American oil but I am very hopeful for a future meeting. We will have more time and more opportunities to discuss these opportunities and get to know each other better. I would like to thank you very much for your support.

 

The President: Good. Well, thank you very much and I appreciate that. I will tell Rudy and Attorney General Barr to call. Thank you. Whenever you would like to come to the White House, feel free to call. Give us a date and we’ll work that out. I look forward to seeing you.

 

President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much. I would be very happy to come and would be happy to meet with you personally and get to know you better. I am looking forward to our meeting and I also would like to invite you to visit Ukraine and come to the city of Kyiv which is a beautiful city. We have a beautiful country which would welcome you. On the other hand, I believe that on September 1 we will be in Poland and we can meet in Poland hopefully. After that, it might be a very good idea for you to travel to Ukraine. We can either take my plane and go to Ukraine or we can take your plane, which is probably much better than mine.

 

The President: Okay, we can work that out. I look forward to seeing you in Washington and maybe in Poland because I think we are going to be there at that time.

 

President Zelenskyy: Thank you very much Mr. President.

 

The President: Congratulations on a fantastic job you’ve done. The whole world was watching. I’m not sure it was so much of an upset but congratulations.

 

President Zelenskyy: Thank you Mr. President bye-bye.

 

- - End of conversation - -

 

And the end of a phony, partisan Impeachment.

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by trastrick

[trastrick 866]

7 hours ago, Magilla said:

Made up in your head, Mueller was never a candidate for the Supreme Court.

 

Again, nope.

 

Mueller had already been told by the Office of Legal Counsel that a sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and he felt that it would be unfair to accuse the president of a crime without charging him because he would have no opportunity to clear his name in court.

 

As such, Mueller passed the matter to Congress to decide whether Trump obstructed justice and take action accordingly.

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/12/875380604/former-defense-secretary-gates-pushing-away-peaceful-protesters-was-a-bad-mistak

 

Some more quotes from Gates on Trump:

"It's hard to disagree that this president is a divider."

"I think that we are in a weaker position in the world today than we were three years ago."

 

...on Trumps foreign policy attempts:

"They haven't proved to be particularly successful. But at the same time, he has weakened our alliances, which I think is a critically important element of American national security."

 

On Biden:

" I wrote in my book Duty in 2014, that I thought Joe Biden had been wrong on almost every major foreign policy issue over the preceding 40 years. I wrote on the same page, though, that I regarded Joe Biden as a man of great integrity, a very decent human being, as somebody that if you had a personal problem or an issue, Joe Biden would be there to help you. So although I've got a lot of policy disagreements with the former vice president, he is a decent person. ... I think that what the country needs is somebody who will try to bring us together."

 

By the time of the election, Gates wanted Biden to win...

 

...so how bad must Trump have been?

 

What did he say about Trump, and more importantly... was he wrong?

 

It's not a fantasy to say the Doha deal was Trumps, it was!

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/mike-pompeo-afghanistan-collapse-506927

...and it could very well turn out that way:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/gop-hurdles-afghanistan-midterms-506895

 

Well there were for Trump, so I don't see why not...

I never said Mueller was a Candidate for the Supreme Court.

 

Made up in your head!  Lol

 

I did say he had a likely chance of ending up there, based on the glowing praise he received when he was appointed Special Prosecutor.

 

He was interviewed for FBI Director, though, by Trump for the Head of FBI job.

 

Now his career in government is over.

 

Trump can't hurt you now, he's out of office.

 

But Biden..........?

 

Stay tuned.

[andyofborg 11]

6 hours ago, trastrick said:

I did say he had a likely chance of ending up there, based on the glowing praise he received when he was appointed Special Prosecutor.

Only in your delusions perhaps. A President could nominate him but given he has no experience as a judge then a functioning Senate would probably struggle to confirm him. Of course, a President with aspirations to be an absolute monarch along with a majority in the Senate in thrall to him would probably do it. 

 

6 hours ago, trastrick said:

Trump can't hurt you now, he's out of office.

Indeed, he is, but you seem rather enamoured of him.  Disturbingly so...... 

6 hours ago, trastrick said:

But Biden..........?

The US seems to be retreating from its current global role and that trend will probably continue regardless of who is President.  You should probably stop obsessing about who is US President and worry instead about what will happen to UK or whats ;left of it. 

[hauxwell 243]

It’s been reported that North Korea has restarted its nuclear reactor again. Will they be doing nuclear tests in the future again?

 

Trump did get them to shut it down when he was President.   

It will be interesting to see how Biden handles the situation.  

23 hours ago, Anna B said:

I'm afraid the West is now in terminal decline with Asia ascending.

It’s beginning to look that way to me to.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

When you(Trastrick) said:

 

"Quote from Obama (who advised Joe not to run for President) " "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!""

 

I asked:

 

"Where, when and to whom  did Obama say this?"

 

You replied with nearly two thousand five hundred words of copy and paste, unrelated transcripts with no mention of Obama or Biden. Is the answer hidden in there somewhere?

Instead of 2 500 words of  copy and paste, would it not be easier to actually give the Source and  copy and paste the relevant part.

 

 

Again I ask where, when and to whom  did Obama say "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!"?

[trastrick 866]

2 hours ago, Annie Bynnol said:

When you(Trastrick) said:

 

"Quote from Obama (who advised Joe not to run for President) " "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!""

 

I asked:

 

"Where, when and to whom  did Obama say this?"

 

You replied with nearly two thousand five hundred words of copy and paste, unrelated transcripts with no mention of Obama or Biden. Is the answer hidden in there somewhere?

Instead of 2 500 words of  copy and paste, would it not be easier to actually give the Source and  copy and paste the relevant part.

 

 

Again I ask where, when and to whom  did Obama say "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!"?

I believe you answered your own question in the previous post, when you said:

 

"The comment is attributed to an anonymous Democrat Party worker and relayed to a reporter from a 'left leaning' magazine.

Subsequently picked and spread by around by the extreme right wing media who avoid attributing a source."

 

That would be correct.

 

In context, it appears to have its genesis in a Politico article written during the Presidential 2020 campaign, about the attitudes of Obama, and supporters of both Clinton and Biden, during the 2020 election cycle.

 

Here's the full quote from  Politico, which considered to be a reliable source, at least on all things Trump.

 

"Biden aides acknowledge that Obama didn’t do nearly as much for Biden in 2020 as he did for Clinton in 2016.

 

The lack of public enthusiasm for Biden was noticeable enough that former Obama senior adviser Pete Rouse—who was one of the aides who helped Biden organize his potential 2016 run—addressed it at a fundraiser of Obama alumni for Biden last November that he helped organize.

“I think the turnout tonight demonstrates the high regard in which the vice president is held in the extended Obama family,” Rouse told the crowd of about 50 people. “And I think that that message is not out as far as it should be.”

 

Yet searing, anonymously sourced quotes from Obama kept appearing through the race. One Democrat who spoke to Obama recalled the former president warning, “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to **** things up.” Speaking of his own waning understanding of today’s Democratic electorate, especially in Iowa, Obama told one 2020 candidate: “And you know who really doesn’t have it? Joe Biden.”.

 

There have been countless "unnamed source" negative stories about Trump, indeed the root of the Ukraine Impeachment came from an unnamed source. (which is why I found it neccessary to detail the distortion of what was purported to be overheard in that Trump conversation with the President of the Ukraine, and how the distortion was presented to Congress, and the  live TV audience.)

 

In addition to augment their ultimately failed charges,  the Democrats cited hundreds of newspaper articles and headlines, and had them placed in the Public Record of the proceedings.

To this day the MSM fiercely defend their use of unnamed sources, as The Washington Post 's media critic, Margaret Sullivan, says

"There is no way to get at the story through talking to the White House press secretary or listening to the spin that is offered by officials who are willing to go on the record," she says.

 

Here;s The Guardian;

 

"Unnamed sources, giving unatribbutable briefings, remain a key component of storytelling. Without them many of the stories kisted in our chart (right) would be less balanced, and certainly less factual."

 

So people have to decide for themselves if stories based on unnamed sources are truth, lies, or somewhere in between.

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by trastrick

[andyofborg 11]

14 minutes ago, trastrick said:

I believe you answered your own question in the previous post, when you said:

 

"The comment is attributed to an anonymous Democrat Party worker and relayed to a reporter from a 'left leaning' magazine.

Subsequently picked and spread by around by the extreme right wing media who avoid attributing a source."

 

Biden won and is now President and is one for at least another 3 and a half years, So posting reams of stuff about the minutae of who said what to who seems a bit excessive. There are far more interesting  amd relevant things to discuss.  

[trastrick 866]

I was asked the same question twice, by the OP.

 

I reserve the the right to respond.

 

Let's all hope your crystal ball is right, and Biden gets to finish out a successful term!

 

May god be with him.

[Annie Bynnol 612]

1 hour ago, trastrick said:

I believe you answered your own question in the previous post, when you said:

 

"The comment is attributed to an anonymous Democrat Party worker and relayed to a reporter from a 'left leaning' magazine.

Subsequently picked and spread by around by the extreme right wing media who avoid attributing a source."

 

That would be correct.

 

In context, it appears to have its genesis in a Politico article written during the Presidential 2020 campaign, about the attitudes of Obama, and supporters of both Clinton and Biden, during the 2020 election cycle.

 

Here's the full quote from  Politico, which considered to be a reliable source, at least on all things Trump.

 

So there is no "Quote from Obama (who advised Joe not to run for President) " "Don't underestimate  Joe's ability to f... things up!"" just a comment () attributed to an anonymous Democrat Party worker and relayed to a reporter from a 'left leaning' magazine-Politico- in or before 2016 in the context of Obamas support for Clinton.

 

I am glad you regard a 'left leaning' MSM magazine-Politico- as "...a reliable source, at least on all things Trump".

Certainly not a view held by Trump supporters. These headline and comment are examples.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Annie Bynnol